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The Airsimmmer A320 advanced sounds really, really cool. Unfortunately it's only available for FS9. I'm aware that they intend to make the basic version available for FSX but a) this looks like vaporware and b) I'd like the advanced version. Does anyone know of a similar A320 available for FSX or a soon to be released one? Thanks

Airsimmer Advanced is NOT available for any FS.

Ok, gotcha. Allow me to rephrase my question:

Is there an A320 available or planned for FSX that has all the features of the Wilco, has failure simulation support(the Wilco doesn't simulate fire extinguishers, and even the default does that) and has either no severe bugs or is under active patching?

I'm waiting for Airsimmer

or something else.

So far my requirements are

"As good as PMDG MD11 but an A320 or A330"

I suspect I will be waiting a long, long time. 2015, 2020, etc kind of long time

Hopefully by then we won't have to use FSX or FS9 anymore.

Airsimmer is having troubles with CTD's still... that's the problem with C/C++ you can easily make a mistake in the code, and the compiler will assume you know what you're doing and not force you to correct it, doesn't even give a warning until it crashes on you during runtime/flight.

How serious of an issue is this? Well mistakes happen all the time we all have apps that crash once in awhile. But I'm of the belief that advanced systems are complicated enough to the point, if you can code the calculus behind say the Fuel prediction, C++ memory issues shouldn't be a problem. Especially to the point where it destroys your companies entire image.

So I agree with you daryl it seems to be a case of vapourware.. they have a great 3DSmax model, but it ends there. The beauty of the Aerosoft sim is that it's coded in XML, and can be modified by the community(a first!). Though you can't add to the visual model, you can control the output on the screens and FMC. So for example if the fuel prediction isn't implemented by Aerosoft, it can be easily implemented by the community. In fact even the missing pages of the FMC that even PMDG doesn't bother with, can be added!

Trent Air simmer is far better than anything PMDG has put out.

As for FSX, yes the FSX version will be available, and will be produced after the release of the FS9 Advanced version.

I should point out, that the FSX version will be at no extra cost to people that have already brought the FS9 version, and vice versa, Unlike PMDG!!! so you will get 2 products for the price of one.

If you cant wait that long, then Aerosoft has its Non Fully realistic A320/1 to be released soon.

I say non fully realistic, because Aerosoft are not implementing full Airbus function-ability of the MCDU, and they have elected to create only one panel display type, and that will be for CFM Engines only.

If you choose not to believe in the air simmer project, calling it vapor ware, then that is your loss.

Kirk, first let me say I am one of those that 'do' want Airsimmer to succeed despite the mess they have created for themselves,I am also part of the Extended team and own the 'lite' version. However I think 99% of people will agree that your comments about this aircraft being better then PMDG is a complete joke! Until Airsimmer produce a bug free sim that 'Works' on all the various platforms there customers will be using they cant even be compared to the PSS Airbus.

PMDG produce high quality 'accurate' 99% bug free aircraft, the reason they have such a good reputation is not due to fanboys praising vaporware but genuine customers using there products on a daily basis, same thing for LVLD and the producers of Concorde X

My only advice to new companies like Airsimmer is to keep there mouth shut and not make empty promises as it only frustrates potential customers and tarnishes there reputation, companies like LVLD & PMDG will clearly say 'It's ready when it's ready' They are trying to create the most complex aircraft in the history of FS and handling it badly, the whole Buggy 'Lite' aircraft release showed signs of desperation to people outside of the Beta team.

LOL. Surely, Airsimmer is better than any other developer. That is, in making promises and empty statements.

Which is a great pity, a great great pity. I love the Airbus (Mostly the A330) but so far there are NONE that are up to the quality that I want.

PMDG's MD11 on the other hand... I didn't even like MD-11's as an aircraft before I got the PMDG plane. which is the best purchase I have yet made. It just works like it should.

but calling me out by name to tell me that Air Simmer is 'Far better than anything PMDG has put out'

yeh. right. obviously a deluded fanboy.


I just hope airsimmer doesn't go the way of AirlinerXP and that we one day get an A330 that is as detailed as either:
1: a real A330 or
2: PMDG MD11



... oh wait that's Kirk. lol. Now I get it.

Trent,

I'm with you, I can not wait for a decent a320 and a330. The fact of the matter is these are such a common aircraft yet there is not one decent simulation for fsx to date. (I would go as far to say there isn't a decent one for FS9 either.

While I'm quite partial to the Wilco Sim, It's not PMDG standard and has more flaws then you can poke a stick at. Not to mention the lack of support / further updates.

Airsimmer has been promise after promise after promise since day one, the fact that they released a half baked product is absolutely crazy. Consumers don't go to a bakery and buy a half baked loaf of bread whilst waiting for the final product. It's hard to be taken seriously when you take three years to develop a product for FS9.

AirlinerXP is dead.

I did like flying the PSS however they obviously cease to exist. The product was annoying in that you either had a minimalist panel or a panel that take up 75% of the screen. This is off-topic since we're talking aobut FSX

There was rumoured to be an A320 being developed by First Class Simulations but a brief look at there websites, it looks like they've moved to being a publisher/retailer instead...

There is also the "Things to come" A320 but i don't have my hopes up for this one either.
http://www.things-to-come.com/a320/ . They direct you to their forums but there is nothing there but quotes from "reviews".

It's really frustrating but maybe i should just forget about it for now and go fly the md-11 / 744x

Rod.

Krzysztof, Air simmer have never promised any thing, can you show me where they have promised any thing to you?

Rodney, 3 years in development, not much considering the PMDG MD-11 was 8 years in development, and that comes directly form their site. http://www.precisionmanuals.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=13&idproduct=50

And Rodney, again, what promises have Air simmer made?

Trent, i still stand by what i said, weather you like it or not, not my problem, dont buy the product, i own the product, i fly it every day, i know what it looks like, i know i would rather fly my unfinished ET version, than the PMDG 737

By all means, buy the Aerosoft product, it will be for FSX only, but it will also be another dumbed down version, in fact even less, when they are not even going to use a IAE panel, Following Level D's mistake there.

Kirk,

8 Years from start to finish maybe (including research, i imagine that would have started planning the md-11 for FS9 and scrapped it in favour of FSX [because its a better platform then FSX]). 3 Years for a half-baked aircraft for an outdated platform?

No promises, but illusions of progress.

You know what

Dont buy the air simmer product.

But dont sit here and make comments about a product you have never used, and know nothing about.

And FS9 is better, it maybe a outdated platform, but there are still alot of people that use it.

Air simmer Basic was intended for people that like a nice visual model, with out the complex systems, like CLS and 50north, both pay ware products with out the complex systems, air simmer are fixing the basic version, name for me one product that hasn't been patched shortly after release?

That's good to know Kirk. I respect your choice, that's fine. I'm just saying I'm not intending on buying it for xyz reasons. I looked at their forum and saw the number of unhappy users, hence why I don't fly it. I still used FS9 up until recently, my only reason for moving was that most developers are moving away from it in favour of FSX.