Emiliano Ferraco Posted July 31, 2011 at 02:34 PM Posted July 31, 2011 at 02:34 PM Hi, I´ve two doubts concerning visibility centers. 1º.- If I dont misunderstood it, a Visibility Centre controls which planes I can see on my scope, and the centre point from which planes can see me,... that´s right? 2º.-The .ESE instructions says :"There can be maximum 4 visibility centers defined", but I saw many sectorfiles that include the lat/long option after every position defined. So I don´t understand exactly the meaning of the "4 visibility centers defined". Thanks Emiliano T. Ferraco http://www.sur-air.com.ar http://www.estudioferraco.com.ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todor Atanasov 878664 Posted July 31, 2011 at 03:13 PM Posted July 31, 2011 at 03:13 PM 1. Partially right, the planes see you based on the radio range, not the visibility range, the last is only for you. 2. You can have max of 4 vis centers per position, what you are referring in the ese file is the default position of vis. center (centers) for every position. Every position can have max of 4. But in the ese you can have as many position with 4 vis. center as you would like. EuroScope BETA Tester/Board of Designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emiliano Ferraco Posted July 31, 2011 at 03:27 PM Author Posted July 31, 2011 at 03:27 PM 1. Partially right, the planes see you based on the radio range, not the visibility range, the last is only for you. Can you explain this deeply please? Planes see me based on the radio range: the range you referred is the one set on the connect dialog? and the visibility range is the one set by me to see planes... where i set this range? 2. You can have max of 4 vis centers per position, what you are referring in the ese file is the default position of vis. center (centers) for every position. Every position can have max of 4. But in the ese you can have as many position with 4 vis. center as you would like. Ahh, ok. Now, is really neccesary 4 visibility centers for a position? Emiliano T. Ferraco http://www.sur-air.com.ar http://www.estudioferraco.com.ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todor Atanasov 878664 Posted July 31, 2011 at 04:33 PM Posted July 31, 2011 at 04:33 PM The one you set in the Connection dialog is the vis range. The radio range is based on your position type and the altitude of an airplane. It is server coded (if memory doesn't lie me). No you don't need 4 vis centers, you can even not enter any in the ese, then the active center will be the one taken from your sct file. EuroScope BETA Tester/Board of Designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Papafilis Posted July 31, 2011 at 05:54 PM Posted July 31, 2011 at 05:54 PM Check this thread ... http://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=56924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emiliano Ferraco Posted August 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM Author Posted August 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM Thanks Todor. And thanks George, that link was very usefull! Emiliano T. Ferraco http://www.sur-air.com.ar http://www.estudioferraco.com.ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Frias Posted August 2, 2011 at 04:51 PM Posted August 2, 2011 at 04:51 PM Todor, however in my FIR for instance, planes coming in from the north can only see the CTR position if I create a second vis point. Otherwise I do not show up in their ATC list. So I type: .vis2 WAYPOINT a bit more to the north so that he then sees me. So I guess .vis command also alters the radio range? Miguel Miguel Frias Senior Instructor (I3) & Certified Pilot (P4), ZLA I-11 graduate Portugal vACC Training Director (ACCPT2), VATEUD Operations Director (VATEUD8) Portugal vACC, VATEUD, VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Papafilis Posted August 3, 2011 at 05:00 AM Posted August 3, 2011 at 05:00 AM No, it doesn't change the radio range but setting a second visibility point adds a second radio range center for the incoming planes to see you sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted August 3, 2011 at 02:23 PM Posted August 3, 2011 at 02:23 PM This is always a confusing topic because "visibility range" only affects which planes a controller can see. It does *not* affect which controllers a pilot can see, or which controllers a controller can see. Those two things are determined by radio range. Radio range is set by the server ... each controller has a radio range that is set based on their facility type. Pilots have a radio range that is a function of their altitude. Whether or not a pilot can see a controller (or if a controller can see another controller) is determined by whether or not their radio ranges overlap. A key thing to note is that both your visibility range and your radio range are centered on your visibility center. A vis range of 600 means you will see targets within a 600 NM radius of your visibility center. And if you have a 400 NM radio range (again, this is hardcoded into the server and has nothing to do with your visibility range) then pilots that have a radio range that overlap with a 400 NM radius circle of your visibility center will see you. If you have multiple vis centers, then you have multiple such circles. It may help to think of visibility range as "radar range" instead. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emiliano Ferraco Posted August 3, 2011 at 05:08 PM Author Posted August 3, 2011 at 05:08 PM This is always a confusing topic because "visibility range" only affects It may help to think of visibility range as "radar range" instead. Excelent! Now it´s clear. Emiliano T. Ferraco http://www.sur-air.com.ar http://www.estudioferraco.com.ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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