Gavin Sussman 1179324 Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:13 PM Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:13 PM I recently p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ed my NYARTCC Deliver/ground test as well as the VATUSA one. I am now certified to controller ground/clearence delivery at non major facilities in the NYARTCC. My rating is student one as I have not completed the practice clearences for my major facility yet. (LGA) I downloaded both ASRC and VRC to try to connect as a ground controller at KHPN which is a non major facility in the new york airspace. I filled out all of my information to connect. In both cases I pressed connect and it said that my callsign was incorect. It would say connected and then within a few seconds disconnect me. This happened with ASRC and VRC. I put my callsign as "HPN GND" I also tried HPN ground. I even connected to the correct server and All of the other information was correct. Can someone please tell me what I can do or how to make my callsign correct. Thank you so much, Gavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Bartosz Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:15 PM Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:15 PM HPN_GND New York ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:28 PM Posted September 10, 2011 at 01:28 PM has to have an underscore like Sebastien posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Sussman 1179324 Posted September 10, 2011 at 03:53 PM Author Posted September 10, 2011 at 03:53 PM wow that is easy. thanks so much guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Muenster 1149119 Posted September 12, 2011 at 04:48 AM Posted September 12, 2011 at 04:48 AM Gavin, I haven't seen you around the NY Forums yet so I'll let you know here. HPN is a "major satellite" of LGA due to the fact they share common procedures and exit points. Because of this you must be certified for LGA to work HPN. The field I suggest to all new ZNY controllers would be Allentown - KABE, although there are others if you prefer. Look forward to seeing you around, come and join us on teamspeak! John Muenster - ZNY Mentor John Muenster (MR) - Minneapolis ARTCC Unless expressly written, my comments in no way reflect the opinions of any ARTCC I am affiliated with, they are personal opinions only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:00 AM Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:00 AM HPN is a major? that was approved under GRP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:14 AM Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:14 AM Ruh roh! Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Hansson Posted September 12, 2011 at 02:01 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 02:01 PM HPN is a major? that was approved under GRP? According the latest GRP (Sep 2011), KHPN is not listed as a major. You may want to continue this particular discussion off-line... Tomas Hansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted September 12, 2011 at 02:10 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 02:10 PM not my discussion to have, thats for the folks in charge to do. mine was a simple question, beyond that, theres folks that are charged to check those things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Geckler Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:11 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 05:11 PM mine was a simple question A simple question with possible devastating results But yeah, it's not our place to discuss this. Ryan Geckler - GK | Former VATUSA3 - Division Training Manager VATSIM Minneapolis ARTCC | FAA Miami ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Roistacher 1153968 Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:15 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:15 PM By referring to KHPN as a "major satellite", one would have to be certified to control at LaGuardia (KLGA) in order to control at KHPN as the procedures are strongly tied together and the two airports are in a very close proximity to one another. Ex.) If you are certified to control LGA_GND. You are eligible to control HPN_DEL or HPN_GND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:25 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:25 PM no such thing as "major satellites", not defined by GRP. its Major, or it isnt, no in between. ZMA is going to be very happy, pretty much all south Florida airports share the same procedures with the 2 international airports (MIA & FLL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Roistacher 1153968 Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:28 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:28 PM (edited) no such thing as "major satellites", not defined by GRP. It is a local policy. Edited September 12, 2011 at 08:51 PM by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Blackburn Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:37 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:37 PM Local policy doesn't make majors. If its not listed under the GRP annex then it isnt a . Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Roistacher 1153968 Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:43 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 08:43 PM Sorry, wrong choice of words on my part. I mean that the local policy is NOT that it is a major. But it is highly recommended to not control there without being certified to control the major facility for which tracon it underlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Parkar Posted September 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM Posted September 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM So he can control HPN_GND without the Major cert. Problem solved, everybody divert your attention now, "Look at that big pretty green blip over there!" Ernesto, can we try not to destroy ARTCC's pretty please? Cheers! Rahul Rahul Parkar "On second thoughts Nappa, catch it, catch it with your teeth" -- Vegeta Professional Nerd. (Professionally not professional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted September 13, 2011 at 12:29 AM Posted September 13, 2011 at 12:29 AM I think I see the problem: Section 9 Facility Designation A. The following facilities are designated as Primary Major Facilities: 1. KEWR 2. KLGA 3. KJFK 4. KPHL B. The following facilities are designated as Secondary Major Facilities 1. KFRG 2. KHPN 3. KTEB 4. KISP C. Satellite facility 1. Defined as a non-primary facility within the TRACON of your Primary Major Facility 2. A Controller or Visiting Controller will service Satellite Facilities when providing service within a Major Facility TRACON 3. Satellite Facility service, with a Primary Major Facility TRACON, will only be provided by a Departure Controller (Level 4) or higher D. Non-major Facilities 1. Defined as any airport, within the lateral boundaries of the New York ARTCC, that is not detailed in the above Primary Major Facilities and Secondary Major Facilities E. Special Procedures for KISP 1. A Controller or Visiting Controller may staff the Tower Controller position at KISP providing that they are a certified Tower Controller at any of the four Primary Major Facilities 2. A Controller or Visiting Controller may staff any Approach TRACON position at KISP providing that they are certified at KJFK as a Approach Controller (Level 5) Dan and John, perhaps you can take our concerns back to the Training Department. I have highlighted some points of interest. Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Muenster 1149119 Posted September 14, 2011 at 03:34 AM Posted September 14, 2011 at 03:34 AM Dan and John, perhaps you can take our concerns back to the Training Department. I have highlighted some points of interest. Bryan you have a PM. John Muenster (MR) - Minneapolis ARTCC Unless expressly written, my comments in no way reflect the opinions of any ARTCC I am affiliated with, they are personal opinions only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted September 14, 2011 at 04:50 PM Posted September 14, 2011 at 04:50 PM Thanks John, and thanks for looking into it! Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davor Kusec 990407 Posted September 17, 2011 at 01:06 AM Posted September 17, 2011 at 01:06 AM Ernesto, can we try not to destroy ARTCC's pretty please? Cheers! Rahul That sounds like fun. Davor Kusec Air Traffic Director | Northeast Region VATUSA Supervisor | VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gerrish Posted September 17, 2011 at 07:58 AM Posted September 17, 2011 at 07:58 AM Ernesto, can we try not to destroy ARTCC's pretty please? Cheers! Rahul That sounds like fun. Richard Gerrish Developer, STM Applications Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Parkar Posted September 17, 2011 at 02:01 PM Posted September 17, 2011 at 02:01 PM Ernesto, can we try not to destroy ARTCC's pretty please? Cheers! Rahul That sounds like fun. Rahul Parkar "On second thoughts Nappa, catch it, catch it with your teeth" -- Vegeta Professional Nerd. (Professionally not professional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:25 PM Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:25 PM hey hey, who deleted my post, all these last few posts have been in good fun not Pinky and the Brain fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Byrne Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:38 PM Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:38 PM Everyone's a critic, you know. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davor Kusec 990407 Posted September 19, 2011 at 12:13 AM Posted September 19, 2011 at 12:13 AM So wait...you guys were just joking? boo... Davor Kusec Air Traffic Director | Northeast Region VATUSA Supervisor | VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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