Violations Of Vatsim Online Policies

[Blake Gray 841141]

I thought it was against policy to simulate life and limb disasters:

 

 

TO: CVN-76 Air Wing

FROM: HQVUSN/FLAG

 

FLASH TRAFFIC 12 DECEMBER 1835 ZULU

 

On 11 December, a MIG-29 was tracked by CATCC radar shadowing a Reagan F-18 back to the battle group. Several attempts to contact our RECON/CAP aircraft failed and it was believed the MIG has located the Reagan Battle group.Our fears were confirmed this morning when a AGM-84 Harpoon was launched toward the battle group from an OPFOR aircraft approximately 75 nm north of the carrier.

Our US Coast Guard escort USCGC Mellon (WHEC-717) was struck broadside and is currently on fire and sinking. Initial reports indicate the crew is abandoning ship and HC-5 Helos from the Reagan are currently conducting SAR/Medevac missions to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ist in the rescue. The USCGC Mellon with a crew of 147 has confirmed 15 fatalities and 24 injured crewmen.

 

 

...from "ANY" VA or VSOA?

 

 

Ok let me quote the Vatsim VSOA SOP dated 8/23/2006 Page 6 Section 2.06:

 

m. All VSOA affiliates are prohibited in engaging in any operation that portray past or current real

world operations whereby loss of life and/or property has resulted to further political, social, or

religious objectives. I.e. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, etc.

 

Wow wait the above simulation didnt portray any 'real world' past operation as such; so it is okay to simulate a 'fictitious' event? Well that is simulation; I am not seeing a violation here now unless I am missing something; I was just abit in shock when I saw the simulation of loss of life and it bothers me; in fact I am even offended by this type of simulation; how does the Vatsim community feel about this; just curious.

 

Check this:

 

l. All affiliates are required to maintain realism of their operations in respect to the selection and use

of aircraft, installations (locations), and peacetime operations (events and activities). Affiliates are

expected to regularly research their real life counterpart and compare organizations to ensure that

realism is maintained.

 

Now here I have to agree there 'could' be a violation - such a simulated attack with simulated loss of life incurred - is in fact an act of WAR, and not a peacetime simulation.

 

It is [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umed that 'ALL' Vatsim VSOA members present their activities in accordance with Vatsim regulations. Missions simulations involving any type of 'life and limb' should realy be questionable, and I am questioning it.

 

And while I am on this topic, when we do SAR missions, like the USCG does presumably, and do humanitarian missions, we do so in areas that do not involve life and limb, like when a hurricane or tornadoe is going on, but it is okay to 'rescue' people floating in the water and send humanitarian aide goods to the 'affected' areas (and, but can only fly to within a certain radius of said disaster?)?

 

I need to re-read up on the SOPs because a new CEO of an up and coming VSOA I dont want to make errors like this.

 

Mr Gray

Edited December 13, 2011 at 03:33 AM by Guest

[Ernesto Alvarez 818262]

you may want to reread some of those policies. which one is it you are quoting?

 

these are fictional scenarios. the policy you are probably thinking of is about duplicating/reenacting real world disasters

[Blake Gray 841141]

Reply to my own post...

 

I understand it is not simulating a past real world event, but mainly this does NOT represent simulated 'PEACETIME' training; we dont simulate WAR on Vatsim.

 

Blake

[Brian Pryor 810138]

If you truly think it's a problem e-mail Roger Curtiss who will investigate.

 

No need to hold this in the court of public opinion (aka the forum).

 

My personal 2 cents;, this is a simulated operation, much like Red Flag occurs for several vSOA's in which fictional scenarios are given/read to the participants for a "storyline".

 

In the words of someone I can't recall on here you're creating smoke when there isn't a fire.

[Scott Gray]

Mr. Gray,

 

I suggest you get your facts correct before you post inaccurate and defamatory post. The VUSN operations you referred to were conducted on our private FSX servers and not on VATSIM.

[Sean Harrison]

Wouldn't every VSOA that searches for people be in the same boat. Pun intended. Many VSOAs recently flew support missions to Japan, and got thanked by the VATJAP region.

 

To simulate anything is fine, as long as we all respect those in the real world. That should be the deciding factor. Without simulation the only way to learn is by the real thing.

[Kyle Ramsey 810181]

In short, Blake doesn't understand the VSOA rules or he'd know the mission described isn't a violation of those rules for a VSOA. I just wanted to put a marker here on that so future readers weren't confused or mislead by his statements.

 

I think we'll close this topic now.