Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted July 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM Board of Governors Posted July 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM Hi Ross, With the new automatic model matching in vPilot v2 -- am I right in thinking that the airline and type codes are all held on the server? If so -- would it be possible to tweak them slightly so that SHT callsigns display BAW-liveried aircraft? I'm aware it's possible to make this happen with a custom model match set, but as it is a standard situation it would be nice for it to work without user intervention, which doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. (For those unaware -- BA use the SHT callsign for domestic flights: these are operated by BA's normal mainline fleet and crews, so it's not a separate operation nor is there a separate livery, just a hangover from the days of the Trident/BAC1-11 shuttle flights!). Thanks! Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 13, 2016 at 12:27 PM Posted July 13, 2016 at 12:27 PM Yeah, the airline codes are stored in a ModelMatchingData.xml file that is downloaded from the server whenever it is updated. In order to make SHT work for BAW I'll need to add a list of "Airline Code Aliases" and add some code to perform the model matching twice ... once for the actual airline code (SHT in this case) and once for the code its alias points to (BAW in this case). (The second p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] will only happen if the code is found in the alias list, of course.) This would help with some VATSIM-only cases that we have, such as DVA. So I'll start the alias list with SHT->BAW and DVA->DAL. If anyone has any others, let me know. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted July 13, 2016 at 12:29 PM Author Board of Governors Posted July 13, 2016 at 12:29 PM Great, thank you Ross! Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Kaan Posted July 14, 2016 at 05:05 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 05:05 PM If anyone has any others, let me know. LHA->DLH Nico Kaan Developer: PSXseeconTraffic, ParkPosGenerator and AILGenerator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted July 14, 2016 at 05:20 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 05:20 PM Maybe some of the special ones such as DL -> DAL, AA -> AAL, etc. Maybe USA/AWE -> AAL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:10 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:10 PM Maybe some of the special ones such as DL -> DAL, AA -> AAL, etc.Maybe USA/AWE -> AAL? I think those are cases where the pilot has made a mistake. This feature would not be intended to try to correct for that sort of thing. In fact, the same could be said about DVA->DAL, so I'll probably remove that one. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:13 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:13 PM If anyone has any others, let me know. LHA->DLH I'm not finding any reference online to LHA being used as an airline code. All I could find was Lufthansa's stock ticker. How is that one used? Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:18 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:18 PM dont forget the retro VA's, still have those flying around online. still nice every now and then to see a TWA or America West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:58 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 06:58 PM dont forget the retro VA's, still have those flying around online. still nice every now and then to see a TWA or America West This feature is not for defunct airlines or airlines that have been acquired. It is for situations like British Airways Shuttle which uses a different callsign prefix but the same liveries. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted July 14, 2016 at 07:36 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 07:36 PM Could you store them locally so members can add their own if they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 14, 2016 at 09:27 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 09:27 PM Actually "LHA" is a virtual airline called "Leipzig Air" and it has been existing for many years (founded in 2001): http://www.leipzigair.de/abflugtv.php They regularly fly on VATSIM, so I suggest using LHA for this airline. They should have their own modelset, too. Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 14, 2016 at 10:04 PM Posted July 14, 2016 at 10:04 PM Actually "LHA" is a virtual airline called "Leipzig Air" and it has been existing for many years (founded in 2001): http://www.leipzigair.de/abflugtv.php They regularly fly on VATSIM, so I suggest using LHA for this airline. They should have their own modelset, too. This airline code aliasing feature would only take effect if you don't already have rules loaded for the callsign prefix in use. In other words, if Leipzig Air members had their own model set and loaded their own custom model matching rules, then that would take precedence over aliasing LHA to DLH. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Liu Posted August 15, 2016 at 09:17 AM Posted August 15, 2016 at 09:17 AM I've hardly ever seen someone use this: KLC - KLM KLC being KLM Cityhopper But, in the case this happens, why not :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thimo Koolen Posted August 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM Posted August 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM As far as I'm aware, KLM themself don't use KLC as well. All the cityhopper flights are just KLM as well. ACCNL4 (Training Director) - Dutch VACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted August 15, 2016 at 12:41 PM Posted August 15, 2016 at 12:41 PM I've decided against adding this feature, since the only airline that it would seem to apply to is SHT/BAW. So instead, I'm just going to duplicate all the BAW liveries in the model matching database for the SHT code. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Kruger Posted August 15, 2016 at 10:28 PM Posted August 15, 2016 at 10:28 PM I think what it really comes down to is people just doing a little bit of homework as to proper ICAO codes used on the network. Still to this day I see A LOT of people using IATA codes which VPilot will not pick up. Flightradar24.com is a great source for what is filed. Clarke Kruger Edmonton (CYEG) AB, Canada VATSIM Network Supervisor | Team 1 Have a question? Email [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Liu Posted August 20, 2016 at 06:56 PM Posted August 20, 2016 at 06:56 PM As far as I'm aware, KLM themself don't use KLC as well. All the cityhopper flights are just KLM as well. Yeah, they don't seem to use it. KLM do seem to use "KLC" as a codeshare on their departure boards at Schiphol for some odd reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted October 27, 2016 at 02:17 AM Posted October 27, 2016 at 02:17 AM I've decided against adding this feature, since the only airline that it would seem to apply to is SHT/BAW. So instead, I'm just going to duplicate all the BAW liveries in the model matching database for the SHT code. This is complete ... all the BAW models in the database will now be used for SHT aircraft also. (vPilot 2.0) Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittai Arnon Posted November 27, 2016 at 02:40 PM Posted November 27, 2016 at 02:40 PM Hi, I'm using vPilot v2 and still see all SHT a/cs as other livery then the BAW one... Is there anyway to update / edit it manually ? Ittai Arnon 814280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted November 27, 2016 at 11:22 PM Posted November 27, 2016 at 11:22 PM Hi, I'm using vPilot v2 and still see all SHT a/cs as other livery then the BAW one... Is there anyway to update / edit it manually ? What livery do you see them as? And do you definitely have a baw livery installed in the right type code and vpilot is finding it in the scan? Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittai Arnon Posted November 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Posted November 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM Hi, I'm using vPilot v2 and still see all SHT a/cs as other livery then the BAW one... Is there anyway to update / edit it manually ? What livery do you see them as? And do you definitely have a baw livery installed in the right type code and vpilot is finding it in the scan? I saw BAW plane for sure, yes. Regarding the SHT livery I don't recall but I it was some charter or NORD something livery... I can take a screen shot tonight when EGLL is busy if needed... Anyway is it something I can manually edit somewhere ? or not ? Ittai Arnon 814280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted November 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM Author Board of Governors Posted November 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM Hi Ittai, Any custom model matching rules (.vmr files) loaded will take priority over the automatic model matching. For what it's worth, I'm sure last time I flew the SHT liveries were displaying correctly using the automatic matching and WoAI. Have you got any custom .vmr files loaded at all? Simon Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted December 6, 2016 at 07:26 PM Author Board of Governors Posted December 6, 2016 at 07:26 PM Hi Ross, Any chance of a small festive addition? XMS also = BAW -- these are the callsigns for the annual 'Santa Flights' BA put on to Rovaniemi and Kittila. (Sorry -- BA do seem to delight in being awkward in many ways!) Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted December 6, 2016 at 07:29 PM Posted December 6, 2016 at 07:29 PM Hah, that's funny ... sure, I'll make that addition. It may not be done in time for this Christmas, though. I have way too much on my plate before then. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted December 7, 2016 at 10:23 AM Author Board of Governors Posted December 7, 2016 at 10:23 AM Thanks! No rush -- I'm sure they'll still be doing them for many years to come. Cheers Ross! Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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