Sean Harrison Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:35 AM Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:35 AM Of all days, and all the excellent experiences before today, why do we need to deny pilots from taking off because they want to go VFR? I believe we need to be more enabling than disabling activity. Sorry this today upset me, and I'm sure I'll get over it. Sean C1/O P3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:39 AM Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:39 AM This is not the appropriate place to post. Leave feedback on the controller, and wallop them if they actually deny you from departing. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Harrison Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:42 AM Author Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:42 AM Sorry, I should add some detail for those that want to judge. Major Airport with no inbound acft for >100Nm, one just departed, only one other acft on the ground. Weather was fine and clear. Single runway airport. VFR Lockheed Hudson, memorial ANZAC flight between two great countries NZ and AUS. FL240 planned to be OCTA in Oceanic area. A16-123 of RAAF. 'You cannot have a clearance." Sean C1/O P3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Harrison Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:43 AM Author Posted April 25, 2017 at 07:43 AM This is not the appropriate place to post. Leave feedback on the controller, and wallop them if they actually deny you from departing. Simple as that. Who decides what is appropriate? You! Sean C1/O P3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Ogden Posted April 25, 2017 at 11:22 AM Posted April 25, 2017 at 11:22 AM I believe i was the Center controller online when this flight was performed out of Auckland (NZAA). The tower controller (i will not name) was wrong and you had every right to perform that flight, as i think i said to you in between talking to other aircraft. I will follow up. Andrew Ogden Gander Oceanic OCA Chief Vancouver FIR Senior Instructor Visit us: https://ganderoceanic.ca Contact: [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Harrison Posted April 25, 2017 at 11:35 AM Author Posted April 25, 2017 at 11:35 AM Thanks Matthew for making the public correction. My memory of what you said online is different, but I'm already over it. Thanks, Sean C1/O P3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted April 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM Posted April 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM this would fall under the denial of service clause and is a no no to controllers. doesnt matter if the weather is IFR, etc.. accepting pattern work is one thing, simply not letting you depart. big big no no on the ATC side to do. take screenshots and ATC info, report it to the division. if its the same character that likes to close airports (hope not) some still have learning to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Black Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:37 AM Posted April 27, 2017 at 05:37 AM Sorry, I should add some detail for those that want to judge. ...FL240 planned to be OCTA in Oceanic area. A16-123 of RAAF Correct me if I'm wrong but being at FL240 would place you in Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A airspace which normally doesn't allow for VFR flight... unless it's different in that area of the world. I've encountered many pilots on the network trying to fly VFR in the flight levels and are disappointed when I tell them not above 17,500 or submit an IFR flight plan. It's amazing how few pilots (and even controllers) on the network know how to handle a VFR flight properly. Joshua Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Ogden Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 AM Posted April 27, 2017 at 08:34 AM In NZ, there is no restriction on what altitude VFR pilots can fly. You could fly a p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]enger aircraft VFR in NZ. We as controllers are highly trained to handle these situations too. Andrew Ogden Gander Oceanic OCA Chief Vancouver FIR Senior Instructor Visit us: https://ganderoceanic.ca Contact: [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Zhong Posted April 27, 2017 at 10:28 AM Posted April 27, 2017 at 10:28 AM Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A OCA exists above FL245 in the Auckland Oceanic FIR, so VFR flights aren't permitted. Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] G exists below FL245. Joshua, you will find that even for the US, Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A OCA exists above FL55 in the Oakland Oceanic FIR. The continental Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A floor level of FL180 is not universal. David Zhong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Black Posted April 27, 2017 at 12:58 PM Posted April 27, 2017 at 12:58 PM Joshua, you will find that even for the US, Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A OCA exists above FL55 in the Oakland Oceanic FIR. The continental Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A floor level of FL180 is not universal. Which is precisely why I was cautious with the answer I gave and requested clarification. Joshua Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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