Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:32 PM Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:32 PM (edited) With the availability of a full ACARS service with GFO, the location of aircraft will be recorded by Global Fleet Operations. These locations may not be ones that a virtual airline would normally use. VAs will therefore need to loosen control of their flight schedules. I shall be looking to join a VA again for my B777, after many years without one. Are there any VAs which will enable use of the GFO ACARS system without enforcing the use of airline-specific airport destinations? Edited January 9, 2021 at 02:41 PM by Richard McDonald Woods not to include the B747 Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Meier Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:38 PM Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:38 PM Given that GFO is not even released I doubt that any VA has a stance on it at the moment on the possible use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:44 PM Author Posted January 9, 2021 at 02:44 PM I believe that the major VAs have been involved with PMDG for some time. 😋 Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Meier Posted January 9, 2021 at 03:07 PM Posted January 9, 2021 at 03:07 PM Not sure if VA want to use two tracking softwares. I am in a major VA and as of yet nothing has been made public about GFO usage once it is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Simon Kelsey Posted January 9, 2021 at 04:07 PM Board of Governors Posted January 9, 2021 at 04:07 PM 1 hour ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: I believe that the major VAs have been involved with PMDG for some time. 😋 According to whom? 2 Vice President, Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 9, 2021 at 04:57 PM Author Posted January 9, 2021 at 04:57 PM (edited) 51 minutes ago, Simon Kelsey said: According to whom? Hi Simon, Good question! I thought that I had heard that there have been VAs trying to work with the new ACARS. If this is not true, then there may be some co-existence problems looming, which I doubt. Edited January 9, 2021 at 05:00 PM by Richard McDonald Woods Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted January 10, 2021 at 02:59 AM Posted January 10, 2021 at 02:59 AM 12 hours ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: With the availability of a full ACARS service with GFO, the location of aircraft will be recorded by Global Fleet Operations. These locations may not be ones that a virtual airline would normally use. VAs will therefore need to loosen control of their flight schedules. Sorry, how does the second sentence imply the third? FWIW, PMDG doesn't appear to have reached out to any Virtual Airlines I am a member of. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 10, 2021 at 09:03 AM Author Posted January 10, 2021 at 09:03 AM (edited) Hi Luke, Interesting. So if I leave a British Airways B777 from GFO at Kalgoorlie, how will BA pilots choose a BA flight to fly it from there? 😏 Edited January 10, 2021 at 09:09 AM by Richard McDonald Woods Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauri Uusitalo Posted January 11, 2021 at 07:57 AM Posted January 11, 2021 at 07:57 AM 22 hours ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: Hi Luke, Interesting. So if I leave a British Airways B777 from GFO at Kalgoorlie, how will BA pilots choose a BA flight to fly it from there? 😏 Perhaps a stupid question, but how do you fly it there in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 11, 2021 at 02:30 PM Author Posted January 11, 2021 at 02:30 PM Lauri, I believe that GFO will have the global fleet records, so I can choose a BA aircraft to fly where I wish 😉 Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted January 11, 2021 at 04:39 PM Posted January 11, 2021 at 04:39 PM I think where I'm getting to is that if a specific aircraft is in a place outside of the VA's schedules, that's entirely the pilot's issue, not the virtual airline's. Cheers! Luke 1 ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hannant Posted January 11, 2021 at 10:52 PM Posted January 11, 2021 at 10:52 PM If you choose to leave an aircraft somewhere that's not a destination on that VA's schedules, potentially through a divert, I'm sure the VA will, like the airline, add a flight number to the schedule to pull it out and either onto it's planned destination or to another airport for maintenance... Trevor Hannant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 12, 2021 at 08:48 AM Author Posted January 12, 2021 at 08:48 AM Trevor, That solution sounds a great faff, because I feel that it would happen quite often with pilots using GFO and VA's aircraft whilst not VA members. Perhaps it would be better for VAs to relinquish maintenance of aircraft records and just concentrate on their pilot members flying records through ACARS? Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen Meier Posted January 12, 2021 at 08:57 AM Posted January 12, 2021 at 08:57 AM 7 minutes ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: Trevor, That solution sounds a great faff, because I feel that it would happen quite often with pilots using GFO and VA's aircraft whilst not VA members. Perhaps it would be better for VAs to relinquish maintenance of aircraft records and just concentrate on their pilot members flying records through ACARS? Isn’t that what VA already do by using their own acars system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hannant Posted January 12, 2021 at 02:47 PM Posted January 12, 2021 at 02:47 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: Trevor, That solution sounds a great faff, because I feel that it would happen quite often with pilots using GFO and VA's aircraft whilst not VA members. Perhaps it would be better for VAs to relinquish maintenance of aircraft records and just concentrate on their pilot members flying records through ACARS? First up, do we know exactly how GFO is going to work for VA's? We don't - there's been no information in it in any way shape or form. However, given the larger number of pilots than airframes, I'd suggest/hope that the same reg will be available in different "groupings" otherwise how do you get a VA to join up? So you'd look for BAVirtual airframes and see where the last BAV pilot left G-MEDJ then fly one of the schedules from there. This would allow more than one "BA" VA to have control over it's own airframes, while those who want to fly a BA airframe outside of a VA can from a "main" GFO listing. Of course, that's how I'd like to see it work, how it will work I'm sure we'll find out in due course... Of course, if you fell that what I've said is a faff, feel free to come up with another option that makes GFO attractive to VAs and doesn't have it's airframes littering the world... Edited January 12, 2021 at 02:48 PM by Trevor Hannant Trevor Hannant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McDonald Woods Posted January 12, 2021 at 03:41 PM Author Posted January 12, 2021 at 03:41 PM Trevor, it's not at all that what you said is faff.😉 It would be a faff for someone to keep the GFO aircraft where their VAs believe them to be. I have yet to hear whether an airframe can be 'owned' by more than a single VA, or even a single VA. Perhaps they can only be 'owned' by their real world airline? Looking forward to finding out. Cheers, Richard You are the music, until the music stops. T.S.Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted January 12, 2021 at 09:46 PM Posted January 12, 2021 at 09:46 PM 12 hours ago, Richard McDonald Woods said: Perhaps it would be better for VAs to relinquish maintenance of aircraft records and just concentrate on their pilot members flying records through ACARS? I'd be curious to hear how many Virtual Airlines actually have this model, and have maintained it for several years. I used to see it some years back (joinava?) and the forums seemed full of repositioning requests when there was a shortage of a given equipment type and all of the 772s were in SXM for some reason. 🙂 Given how little outreach PMDG seems to have done, I question how much uptake their is going to be. That being said, you can't see for sure until you see it. Cheers! Luke 1 ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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