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Going from IVAO to VATSIM? And which software to use?


Martijn Joon
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Martijn Joon
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Hi all,

The title might be a bit weird but let me explain: I used to fly a lot on IVAO till halfway 2015. I've recorded 670 hours both flying and controlling on IVAO so i'm certainly not a newbie in online flying. I've been out of it for some time now but looking to get back again but a lot has changed! 

So my question is: how is the participation in Europe/The Netherlands? Back in 2011 the participation on IVAO in Europe was better compared to VATSIM. Then the next question: which software to use? I used FSX before flying mainly airliners but looking to do (for now) some VFR flying now probably within the Netherlands. I already seen that A2A doesn't have any addons for MSFS yet so that makes me think that i beter make the switch to P3Dv5? What are your experiences in that? And which software seems to be more 'future proof'?

Thanks in advance!

Martijn

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Martijn Rammeloo
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EHAM is one of the busiest airports on the network. Please check www.dutchvacc.nl for further details.

 

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Andreas Fuchs
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Hello Marthijn,

if you love VFR flying, MSFS will be your SIM of choice. Yes, many aircraft are not yet as good as we wished, but there are some commercial addons on the market, that seem to be good. There's a Piper Arrow and a Piper Seneca, for example. I do not own any of them, I can only talk about what I have seen on streams and read on the internet, you better make your research as well.

If you enjoy airliners, MSFS still has some way to go, but its coming. PMDG is in the race, for example.

P3D seems to be great if you are looking for professional airliners, but the standard airports are just like plain FSX, nothing special and maybe nothing that you really care for. To make it look really good, you'll have to spend quite some money on airport sceneries!

I do use X-Plane 11 (X-Plane 12 is on its way) and am fairly happy. There are some good freeware and payware airliners that are really worthwhile. If you enjoy the 737, Zibo's freeware B738 project is really awesome, it's playing in the league of payware addons. There are many good to great addon airports that are freeware. Otherwise, X-Plane has a very active community that keeps producing those addons. Payware airliners that you could research would be the FJS 727, Flightfactor 757/767 (not the old 777!!), ToLiss A321 and their brand new A340-series. There are some more projects in the pipeline.

It all depends on what you are looking for.

 

In terms of scenery, MSFS is the way to go. Great for VFR! Really professional airliners are just not there yet, but are on their way. When? No idea. The best airliner addons seem to be available for P3D, but they are quite pricey. Default airports are not so nice. X-Plane offers good airport sceneries out of the box, aircraft are nice.

You'll need to decide between X-Plane 11 and MSFS, in my opinion. You'll have to invest some money to get airliners on a professional level (except for the Zibo because it is free) in both SIMs, but both offer a platform that has a future.

I do operate X-Plane 11 and MSFS parallel now.

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Andreas Fuchs
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2 minutes ago, Martijn Rammeloo said:

EHAM is one of the busiest airports on the network. Please check www.dutchvacc.nl for further details.

You guys are in the top league indeed.

Here's a nice list of airports, airlines etc. with all their stats: https://www.vatsimstats.net/

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Martijn Rammeloo
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You guys are in the top league indeed.

Here's a nice list of airports, airlines etc. with all their stats: https://www.vatsimstats.net/

It helps to have top-tier neighbours 😉

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks for the quick replies! 

Regarding software: i do read MSFS is the way to go for VFR but why? For example NL2000 doesn't seem to be available for MSFS?

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2 hours ago, Martijn Joon said:

Regarding software: i do read MSFS is the way to go for VFR but why? For example NL2000 doesn't seem to be available for MSFS?

Provided that you have a reasonable internet connection, MSFS will stream satellite images from Bing maps into your simulator. Just have a look around on all the videos and screenshots that are available.

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Frans DECHAENE
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I can vouch for the Dutch Vacc ATC. For me together with the Swiss the best in Europe. Good mix between professionalism and realising it is still a hobby. And Amsterdam almost always staffed in the evening. Throw in the circling approaches they invariably offer you towards 22/04 if you go to "Oost" and you need to look no further! 

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks for all the replies. Regarding VATSIM or IVAO it’s also pretty clear: I’ve posted the exact same message on the IVAO forum and had… 1 reply.

okay I have to admit I’ve been a bit adolescent (I’m 33 so you’d think I’d already way past that now :p) but I installed P3D with the free A2A P-40 and some addons from NL2000. I have to say I was surprised by the graphics, these are really bad!!

one think that really holds me back to use MSFS is the fact that it’s also available for Xbox: is it really a sim? It feels like a Need for Speed game because of that instead of a simulator (I used iRacing during my time off from flying if you want to know). Also ActiveSky is not available for MSFS?

long story short: if I really want to go for realism is MSFS still the game of choice of better go for P3D then?

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I guess Xbox has more ooomph than many PCs today... and I am not sure if ActiveSky is that good/necessary. Even though I do use it with x-plane, it feels old and does not e.g. provide correct winds for different flight levels.

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Andreas Fuchs
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So far, external weather programs cannot do anything with MSFS, because Microsoft/Asobo are keeping this door shut and there seems to be no will from them to change this. The live weather that MSFS offers, seems to be okay.

I think that MSFS is a good platform, but it still needs to be mature a bit. For VFR you can use it now without issues. For proper IFR jet flying you can use the available modifications for the A320, CJ4, Citation Longitude and a few others. But fly them offline for a few hours and get used to them and their behaviour.

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks!

Other question: on IVAO there are several tours which you can fly during the year. I dont see any at VATSIM, you don't have that?

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Martijn Rammeloo
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35 minutes ago, Martijn Joon said:

Thanks!

Other question: on IVAO there are several tours which you can fly during the year. I dont see any at VATSIM, you don't have that?

Google: vatsim event tour

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks! I will

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Martijn Joon
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Installed MSFS and had a short hop over Netherlands and definitely hooked!

which addons do I need for the A320, CJ4 and Citation?

and any other addons which are kinda must have?

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Andreas Fuchs
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Look for FlyByWire A320, use the "Experimental" version. The CJ4 and Longitude Mods are made by "Working Title". Your place to download mods, sceneries etc. will be "flightsim.to".

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks a lot! What are you using for flight planning?

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Matisse VanWezer
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On 10/29/2021 at 12:25 PM, Andreas Fuchs said:

You mean London? 😄

Pretty sure he meant Brussels, isn't it Martijn? 😜

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Martijn Joon
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Oei! I’m new here so I won’t go into details about my neighbours. Only thing I can safely say is that somehow London isn’t part of the EU anymore… 😛

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Martijn Rammeloo
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21 minutes ago, Matisse VanWezer said:

Pretty sure he meant Brussels, isn't it Martijn? 😜

Neighbours = plural 😉

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11 hours ago, Martijn Joon said:

I dont see any at VATSIM, you don't have that?

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15 hours ago, Martijn Rammeloo said:

Neighbours = plural 😉

Brussels +-= plural

Checkmate 😆

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Martijn Joon
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Thanks a lot for all the help/answers.

regarding events it’s clear to me. Tours (like a VFR tour thru Benelux for example) doesn’t seem to be existent right?

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