Alessio Prencia Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Hello guys, I'm trying to make a list of the hardest approaches in Europe so that I can make a "hard approach tour" out of them. I have made a list and hopefully you can help me add destination to it. I'm looking for obscure ones especially because I'm tired of the usual Innsbruck and Madeira. The only requirement is that the airport has to have charts. So here's what I have so far: LICRLPMALYTVLOWILGSKLGKRLAKULXGBLGSMBIARLQMOLDSBLSZALSGSLDSPLTFELOWSLFKJEKVGENSBENSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Thomson Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 One pilot's hard approach is another one's walk in the park. :) How do you define a hard approach? Alistair Thomson === Definition: a gentleman is a flying instructor in a Piper Cherokee who can change tanks without getting his face slapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Eamer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 A hard approach is one where the arrival controller switches arrival runway on you at the last allowable time limit and also offers you the latest ATIS at the same time. Being alone on the flight deck, now that's going to be a hard approach!😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebojsa milosavljevic Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Quote A hard approach is one where the arrival controller switches arrival runway on you at the last allowable time limit and also offers you the latest ATIS at the same time. Being alone on the flight deck, now that's going to be a hard approach! I agree 100% with that. nebojsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Eberle Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) I like the DME arcs. This is an easier appetizer without pesky mountains: Santorini LGSR VORb to RWY33. I agree with Skiathos LGSK (L) RWY 19 + 01 (VOR/DME out, NDB in). Can you amend your list with which approach(es) you exactly mean for that airport? I think that would make the list more useful to others. Edited January 1, 2022 by Jonas Eberle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessio Prencia Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jonas Eberle said: I like the DME arcs. This is an easier appetizer without pesky mountains: Santorini LGSR VORb to RWY33. I agree with Skiathos LGSK (L) RWY 19 + 01 (VOR/DME out, NDB in). Can you amend your list with which approach(es) you exactly mean for that airport? I think that would the list more useful to others. LICR (LOC RNW 33)LPMA (RNP Visual RNW 05)LYTV (NDB Z-Y RNW 14)LOWI (Visual APP circle to land RNW 08)LGSK (LCTR APP, Both runways)LGKR (LCTR A, RNW 34)LAKU (RNP (PLUS VISUAL) RNW 19)LXGB (VISUAL)LGSM (NDB APP)BIAR (LOC ASR RNW 01)LQMO (ILS Z RNW 33)LDSB (VOR A)LSZA (CIRCLE TO LAND AND IGS RNW 01)LSGS (IGS RNW 25)LDSP (VISUAL RNW 23) LTFE (VOR A AND NDB A)LOWS (RNP VISUAL V RNW 33)LFKJ (VPT B RNW 20)EKVG (MY NDB)ENSB (RNP RNW 28)ENSD (RNP RNW 08) Here you go mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Hanson Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) BIIS Visual Edited December 31, 2021 by Roger Hanson 2 1 Regards, Rog Hanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Try a par approach..just you fog and controller with vectors and decent rate..hopefully you can get line up on the rabbits..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I remember lowi being exciting as a newbee..But once at rattenburg the loc 26 becomes pretty standard as time goes on..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I do like the rtt4h departure at lowi..tight turn for downwind east.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Sorry left turn for downwind and east.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauri Uusitalo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 There is an edit option available in the forum interface. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Melis Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Very interesting list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Eberle Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The circle-to-land in LOWI with Easterly winds requires a lot of of attention and judgement. (LOC 26 with breakoff and circle-to-land https://chartfox.org/LOWI#LOWI_98353) The new RNP procedures everywhere take most of the fun out of it. Nowadays there's a published RNP approach to RWY 08. Some years ago that was not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 never tried 080 appr because winds allways was in favour of 260..sounds like fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessio Prencia Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 Hey guys, this is a chart for the circling approach in LICR (Runway 33). This seems to be really fun. I couldn't find the chart anywhere and this was sent to me by a pilot. Imma just leave it here in case anyone is interested. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Leeves Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) EGLC, tough approach RW27 at 5.5° ILS / NDB. I recently did NDB approach with zero visibility. Scary. Edited February 3, 2022 by Simon Leeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 On 12/31/2021 at 8:36 AM, Jonas Eberle said: I like the DME arcs. This is an easier appetizer without pesky mountains: Santorini LGSR VORb to RWY33. I agree with Skiathos LGSK (L) RWY 19 + 01 (VOR/DME out, NDB in). Can you amend your list with which approach(es) you exactly mean for that airport? I think that would make the list more useful to others. +1 on Skiathos. That's Europe's TNCM. if you get the chance to visit that island, do so. the landing traffic is just as exciting as you'd see at TNCM. BL. 1 Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Ziegler Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 12:59 AM, Jonas Eberle said: The circle-to-land in LOWI with Easterly winds requires a lot of of attention and judgement. (LOC 26 with breakoff and circle-to-land https://chartfox.org/LOWI#LOWI_98353) The new RNP procedures everywhere take most of the fun out of it. Nowadays there's a published RNP approach to RWY 08. Some years ago that was not available. You've described the LOC DME EAST approach into RWY08, which is challenging, but definitely manageable for a good sim pilot. If that's not enough fun for some folks, LOC DME WEST approach into RWY08 is even more challenging: You basically overfly the airport from the west... about 5nm past the field, you turn right into right-hand downwind... fly on a 255° track, then 264° and at D14.2 OEJ you turn right into short final RWY08. Or try LOC DME WEST for RWY26, which is a steep 225° right turn onto the 290° track after the LOC DME WEST procedure. That's fun to fly, I guarantee! On 12/31/2021 at 6:09 PM, Alessio Prencia said: LICR (LOC RNW 33)LPMA (RNP Visual RNW 05)LYTV (NDB Z-Y RNW 14)LOWI (Visual APP circle to land RNW 08)LGSK (LCTR APP, Both runways)LGKR (LCTR A, RNW 34)LAKU (RNP (PLUS VISUAL) RNW 19)LXGB (VISUAL)LGSM (NDB APP)BIAR (LOC ASR RNW 01)LQMO (ILS Z RNW 33)LDSB (VOR A)LSZA (CIRCLE TO LAND AND IGS RNW 01)LSGS (IGS RNW 25)LDSP (VISUAL RNW 23) LTFE (VOR A AND NDB A)LOWS (RNP VISUAL V RNW 33)LFKJ (VPT B RNW 20)EKVG (MY NDB)ENSB (RNP RNW 28)ENSD (RNP RNW 08) Here you go mate Regarding LOWS: RNP V 33 is just a wide 180° right hand turn from the north east of the field onto short final RWY 33. A little more challenging is the circling RWY33 following an ILS15 approach: Break off on a 125° track to the left at SI NDB and do a tight 210° right turn into final RWY33... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 on the list above..no kase ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john charles Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 sorry europe only.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 22 hours ago, john charles said: on the list above..no kase ?? Honestly, there are much much harder than KASE. I'd throw VNLK, VQPR, WMBT, and TFFJ in before KASE. And actually in that order. and if I remember right, WMBT has a checkerboard approach, similar to what Kai Tak had. But as this list is for Europe, I'm surprised LFLJ is not on that list. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 There are also LFLB and LSZS missing. Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Albano Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 LESU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Klosowski Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 LFKC Calvi Circle to Land is a good one too 😉 CHRISS KLOSOWSKIDivision Director, VATSIM Middle East & North Africa VATSIM Network Senior Supervisor, Team 5 [email protected] http://vatsim.me/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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