Daniel Roesen Posted April 22, 2007 at 01:16 PM Posted April 22, 2007 at 01:16 PM Also, the A380, as far as the FAA is concerned, is still just a "Heavy". This has changed, it's "super": http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/at_notices/media/N7110.464.pdf EDIT: sorry to resurrect this thread, but "for the archives"... Best regards, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Elchitz 810151 Posted April 22, 2007 at 02:27 PM Posted April 22, 2007 at 02:27 PM ...and it sounds so stupid when you call aircraft by that suffix. Ian Elchitz Just a guy without any fancy titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Rogness 995587 Posted April 22, 2007 at 03:23 PM Posted April 22, 2007 at 03:23 PM A300, A310, L1011, DC10, MD11, 747, 767, 777, 787, a330, a340, a350,a380 are all heavies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jedrejcic Posted April 23, 2007 at 05:00 AM Posted April 23, 2007 at 05:00 AM A small confusion on my part as a controller... If I'm logged on as a CTR controller, and a heavy jet comes into my area, I don't need to use the Heavy term, I know that. But what happens when that aircraft enters an approach space in my area, and there is no one online below me, and I have to take this aircraft all the way to the gate. Do I begin calling it heavy when it enters the approach space? The same question works backwards if a heavy calls for clearance - should I call it heavy as a CTR controller "acting as" clearance deliver, then ground, twr, and up? This is obviously a sim-ism, but just a little confusing. Anyone know what the VATSIM rules are on that? I appreciate your input! David Jedrejcic vZDC DATM UVA DCAFO [Mod - Happy Thoughts]istant Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Bartolotta 912967 Posted April 23, 2007 at 11:07 AM Posted April 23, 2007 at 11:07 AM I had a chance to meet an ATA dispatcher last Friday in Indianapolis and asked him about ATA's "heavy" 757-200s. I've seen sometimes on FlightAware they use the H/ and other times the 757-200 doesn't use it, and I asked him why that was. He explained that for domestic flights it uses the H/ always, because the FAA lowered the cap to 255,000lbs, and that fits ATA's 757-200s. But he said when going internationally, the ICAO standards screw it all up and it's based instead on what the ACTUAL aircraft weight is on takeoff, not what the MTOW is, so it varies. This doesn't really have to do with anything someone brought up in this post, but I thought it might be some interesting info on the topic of heavies. Nick Bartolotta - ZSE Instructor, pilot at large "Just fly it on down to within a inch of the runway and let it drop in from there." - Capt. Don Lanham, ATA Airlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Walsh Posted April 26, 2007 at 02:14 PM Posted April 26, 2007 at 02:14 PM and the A380 is apparently going to be described as "Superheavy" Ruth VATGOV7 Did they decide that "Obese" would be too offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffery Williams 849847 Posted April 26, 2007 at 06:16 PM Posted April 26, 2007 at 06:16 PM Not to sound too harsh, but from what I've seen lately many of the pilots on VATSIM need to focus on learning how to fly their airplanes as opposed to worrying about whether or not to call themselves a heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Doubleday Posted April 26, 2007 at 07:25 PM Posted April 26, 2007 at 07:25 PM Not to sound too harsh, but from what I've seen lately many of the pilots on VATSIM need to focus on learning how to fly their airplanes as opposed to worrying about whether or not to call themselves a heavy. lol... absolutely agreed. AD Andrew James Doubleday | Twitch Stream: Ground_Point_Niner University of North Dakota | FAA Air Traffic Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) Graduate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Millsaps 830104 Posted April 28, 2007 at 07:48 PM Posted April 28, 2007 at 07:48 PM Not to sound too harsh, but from what I've seen lately many of the pilots on VATSIM need to focus on learning how to fly their airplanes as opposed to worrying about whether or not to call themselves a heavy. AMEN!!! Gary Millsaps VATUSA1 "I knew all the rules but the rules did not know me... guaranteed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Rider Posted April 28, 2007 at 08:14 PM Posted April 28, 2007 at 08:14 PM A small confusion on my part as a controller... If I'm logged on as a CTR controller, and a heavy jet comes into my area, I don't need to use the Heavy term, I know that. But what happens when that aircraft enters an approach space in my area, and there is no one online below me, and I have to take this aircraft all the way to the gate. Do I begin calling it heavy when it enters the approach space? The same question works backwards if a heavy calls for clearance - should I call it heavy as a CTR controller "acting as" clearance deliver, then ground, twr, and up? This is obviously a sim-ism, but just a little confusing. Anyone know what the VATSIM rules are on that? I appreciate your input! Where the aircraft has entered the airspace normally controlled by a terminal-type controller (TRACON/ATCT/etc.), start using "Heavy." This is, of course, something I keep forgetting to do :/ , but it seems to make the most sense. (Didn't see anyone specifically answer your question so I thought I'd pop in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Casey Posted April 29, 2007 at 05:59 AM Posted April 29, 2007 at 05:59 AM And just to add to the confusion (cos I can), we don't use the term "Heavy" in Europe at all that I am aware of, most definitely not in UK airspace. Bill Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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