Navdata

[Jeff Turner]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

[Robert Ogden 985378]

I wasn't happy about having to pay for the FMS data either, but given that the FAA is charging for the information now, I can't really complain about paying someone else to format that information for my aircraft. *shrug*

 

Don't know of any free sites out there.

[Jeff Turner]

I wasn't happy about having to pay for the FMS data either, but given that the FAA is charging for the information now, I can't really complain about paying someone else to format that information for my aircraft. *shrug*

 

Don't know of any free sites out there.

 

I didn't know that the FAA was charging now... Thanks for that Robert.

 

JU

[Kyle Ramsey 810181]

Its not that the FAA is now charging so much as the other pay vendors of this info accused the FAA of giving for free what they are charging. Someone in the FAA decided that making sure these companies getting richer is more important than pilots having data that may save their lives.

[Brandon Grchan 925585]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

Procedures can be obtained from www.planepath.com, also NAVDATA still provides sids/stars free of charge for some models.

[Brad Littlejohn]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

Procedures can be obtained from www.planepath.com, also NAVDATA still provides sids/stars free of charge for some models.

 

IIRC, it is the AIRAC cycles that have gone payware. So if any new SIDs/STARs have been created or updated and require new fixes, the AIRAC cycles are going to be needed for that, and the last free one was the 0610 cycle from October 2006. Anything newer than that, has to be purchased.

 

Case in point: at KLAS, the STAAV3 departure was just recently updated, with new fixes, and the move of the STAAV intersection approx. 13nm south of where it originally was. This would require a new cycle, which is now payware.

 

BL.

[Brandon Grchan 925585]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

Procedures can be obtained from www.planepath.com, also NAVDATA still provides sids/stars free of charge for some models.

 

IIRC, it is the AIRAC cycles that have gone payware. So if any new SIDs/STARs have been created or updated and require new fixes, the AIRAC cycles are going to be needed for that, and the last free one was the 0610 cycle from October 2006. Anything newer than that, has to be purchased.

 

Case in point: at KLAS, the STAAV3 departure was just recently updated, with new fixes, and the move of the STAAV intersection approx. 13nm south of where it originally was. This would require a new cycle, which is now payware.

 

BL.

 

Incorrect. If the fix isnt current when you d/l the dp/stars its adds them.

[Brad Littlejohn]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

Procedures can be obtained from www.planepath.com, also NAVDATA still provides sids/stars free of charge for some models.

 

IIRC, it is the AIRAC cycles that have gone payware. So if any new SIDs/STARs have been created or updated and require new fixes, the AIRAC cycles are going to be needed for that, and the last free one was the 0610 cycle from October 2006. Anything newer than that, has to be purchased.

 

Case in point: at KLAS, the STAAV3 departure was just recently updated, with new fixes, and the move of the STAAV intersection approx. 13nm south of where it originally was. This would require a new cycle, which is now payware.

 

BL.

 

Incorrect. If the fix isnt current when you d/l the dp/stars its adds them.

 

Problem though, is that the STAAV intersection already existed, as per the STAAV2 departure. It used to be at the LAS R-350, 14DME. Now it is at the LAS R-065, 30DME. They literally moved it.

 

Plus, this is for the AIRAC cycles, not SIDs/STARs. The AIRAC cycles have the new/updated fixes, not the SIDs/STARs themselves. Those are based off the fixes from the AIRACs.

 

BL.

[Brandon Grchan 925585]

It appears that Richards site http://www.navdata.at/ has gone payware... Which is too bad...

 

Anyone know of any other site that provides that data for aircraft?

Procedures can be obtained from www.planepath.com, also NAVDATA still provides sids/stars free of charge for some models.

 

IIRC, it is the AIRAC cycles that have gone payware. So if any new SIDs/STARs have been created or updated and require new fixes, the AIRAC cycles are going to be needed for that, and the last free one was the 0610 cycle from October 2006. Anything newer than that, has to be purchased.

 

Case in point: at KLAS, the STAAV3 departure was just recently updated, with new fixes, and the move of the STAAV intersection approx. 13nm south of where it originally was. This would require a new cycle, which is now payware.

 

BL.

 

Incorrect. If the fix isnt current when you d/l the dp/stars its adds them.

 

Problem though, is that the STAAV intersection already existed, as per the STAAV2 departure. It used to be at the LAS R-350, 14DME. Now it is at the LAS R-065, 30DME. They literally moved it.

 

Plus, this is for the AIRAC cycles, not SIDs/STARs. The AIRAC cycles have the new/updated fixes, not the SIDs/STARs themselves. Those are based off the fixes from the AIRACs.

 

BL.

 

Below is from the PMDG sid/star folder, KLAS airport code, and it does move the fix for you

 

// KLAS - MC CARRAN INTL

 

// Derived from DAFIF cycle 0606.

// Valid 08 Jun 06 to 05 Jul 06.

//

// Copyright 6/6/2006 by Terry Yingling

// http://PlanePath.com

 

// These procedures must not be sold or included

// with a product for sale unless authorized by

// me in writing before the fact.

//

// Read the '_Read This First.txt' file for

// copyright restrictions.

 

// Revision log by Dan Downs ([email protected])

// Rev03/01/06 Adjust KEPEC1 STAR constraints to match current chart, update constraints ILS RWY 25L

// Rev03/17/06 Adjust constraints for CLARR2 and landing KLAS route, adjust constraints for CRESO3,

// FUZZY6, GRNPA1, KADDY1, LUXOR2, SUNST1 and TYSSN1 STARS; BOACH2 and SHEAD4 DP routes from RNW01L/01R

// adjusted to fix FMC route glitch and constraints adjusted; HOOVR3, LAS3, OVETO3 DPs routes from all

// RNWs redone to match current chart with either transition route or vectors to join instructions;

// add missing MCCRN2 DP; add missing ILS01L with DME Arc (requires FS9 addon); adjust constraints

// and corrected missed approaches for IAPs ILS25L, ILS25R (added transition CROWE)

// Rev 06/05/06 Cycle 0606 Update HOOVR3 DP & KADDY1 STAR

// Rev 06/26/06 Added LOC1R & VOR-A, edited RNAV approaches and added missing fixes and transitions.

// Note: VOR-A circling minima all runways, RNW 01R is used in procedure because it is closest threshold.

// 07/01/06 Cycle 0607 compliant

// Last Reviewed 08/02/06 Cycle 0608 (Effective 3Aug-31Aug)

// Last Reviewed 08/29/06 Cycle 0609 (Effective 31Aug-28Sep)

// Cycle 0610 (28Sep-26Oct) Verified 09/23/06

// Cycle 0611 Compliant (Effective 26Oct-23Nov) 10/18/06

// Cycle 0612 (23Nov-21Dec) Update Change FUZZY7 SUNST2 RNV19L RNV19R Delete RNV01L

// Cycle 0613 (21Dec-18Jan) Compliant

// Cycle 0701 (18Jan-15Feb) SHEAD5 replaces SHEAD4

// Cycle 0702 (15Feb-15Mar) Compliant

// Cycle 0703 (15Mar-12Apr) Change STAAV SID

 

FIX STAAV LATLON N 36 12.020 W 114 46.970

 

Done WITHOUT updating NAVDATA. Its the same for just about every aircraft with a FMC.

[Matthew Kreilein 881422]

but given that the FAA is charging for the information now

 

Ummm...this is COMPLETELY wrong information

 

Google "USFIF" and you will find data for the US AIRAC cycle in a NUMBER of formats you can download for free.

 

Here... http://164.214.2.62/products/usfif/index.cfm

 

The problem was the the original, totally free worldwide database we previously knew (DAFIF) was hosted on the same site by the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

 

It was stopped because "increased numbers of foreign source providers are claiming intellectual property rights or are forewarning NGA that they intend to copyright their source."

 

http://www.nga.mil/NGASiteContent/StaticFiles/OCR/nga0411.pdf

 

I have heard many people say the following:

 

"They want money for it" and "They're using national security as an excuse"...ummmmm...nooooooooo because

 

1. You can get it for free

2. If the US gov't were really pulling it for national security reasons, why would they give it away for free...but for the USA only *scratches head*

 

It's all IP (intellectual property) goofiness. Countries or companies, navdata or pencil erasers it doesn't matter. They are out to protect their investment.

 

Company /country A makes navigational data available somehow.

 

County B says "Hey, we can put that in with out country's data too" and they do.

 

Company/country A says "HEY, we spent $$$ on making that...we're gonna sue you"

 

Country B says "OK OK. We'll remove yours and just give ours that we made free b/c that's the way we roll."

 

Pretty simple.

 

If you need a clearer example, post a link here to a payware addon's serial number...see how long that lasts.

 

(Ed note: I'm in NO WAY advocating that at all. It was just a pretty clear example of the issue)

[Matthew Kreilein 881422]

As a reply to my reply...

 

the only question is how long will the USFIF last and will they ding that for some reason?

 

I've heard 10/2007 the USFIF will go bye bye, but I've also heard that's only the FLIP and not the FIF.

 

I'm guessing, they'll EVENTUALLY pull the "National Security" card at some point, but maybe some AOPA lobbying will do the trick. They seems to be pushing hard to keep that portion around.

[Jeff Turner]

As a reply to my reply...

 

the only question is how long will the USFIF last and will they ding that for some reason?

 

I've heard 10/2007 the USFIF will go bye bye, but I've also heard that's only the FLIP and not the FIF.

 

I'm guessing, they'll EVENTUALLY pull the "National Security" card at some point, but maybe some AOPA lobbying will do the trick. They seems to be pushing hard to keep that portion around.

 

 

Thanks for the info everyone

JU

[Ryan Strad 827369]

Anyone know how much Navdata is charging for the AIRACs?

[Jim Karn 850752]

Hi Ryan,

 

Each cycle costs 20 credits regardless of how many add-ons you have. You will need to purchase 100 credits initially for 10 Euros, which at todays conversion rate, is approx $13.38 USD.

 

That's enough for 5 months of updates.