Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM Posted April 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM Is it possible for a division at present to adopt or supervise a country outside of its area if that country does not belong to a division and only belongs to VATAME. I would like to have some TWR mentoring but only at FIMP (Mauritius). I am not looking for anything else than TWR, I do not have the time at present to go for full S3/C1 training. Secondly I would not want to really train in an area that does not include the airports and countries I am interested in. I cannot see the full benefit of becoming an S3 in the Middle EAST region or to control a TWR in that area only to have to learn again the local procedures for your own area. While there is no Division for Indian Ocean at present could not the following be done for a while to encourage the area to grow (A) Adopt Mauritius and Madagascar Fir into South Africa. (B) Adopt Seychelles to Middle EAST © Provide training and mentoring within these divisions for the airports covered I am sure like myself this solution benefits everyone as more of VATAME could get some coverage and also VATAME is supporting more airports where people want to control. The inclusion is not so hard to put into place as a DIVISION can cover several countries anyway. This maybe a better interim solution as a start for having a permanent Indian Ocean Division. I would like to re-iterate that as an S1 I am only able to offer help with web-sites, TWR controlling and flying as part of being part of VATAME. My suggestions are therefore not a request to 'run' a division etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachary Beard Posted April 7, 2008 at 02:05 PM Posted April 7, 2008 at 02:05 PM I guess that if you were to get some training at FIMP, you should be trained by somewhere close, like VATSAF or VATDRC. On the other hand, you may want to be trained by someone who has experience at that airport. The person that comes to mind is Daniel Doorgakant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 7, 2008 at 03:25 PM Author Posted April 7, 2008 at 03:25 PM As I understand from the training issue is that one would need to be a member of a division, maybe that is wrong. However I see that Daniel is very busy with VATME and may not want to mentor somebody outside of his division. I could see that where there is a shortage of mentors then you would not want to join a divsion and find that there is no training because the trainers are all working outside of the division. My hopes of being able to control TWR at FIMP are very small at present despite having the required rating in VATSIM to do so. I just need somebody to explain local procedures and to observe me for a few sessions thats all. I would only operate and wish to operate TWR at FIMP. I just hope somebody at VATAME has the sense to try and help rather that look for reasons why not to help. Lets try and be positive on this. I am not even worried that some days there will not be any traffic for hours. In my experience pilots start going to airports as soon as there is a regular and good atc service. it like opening a new car servicing garage if you do a good job with one or two customers then often you will get a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Doorgakant Posted April 7, 2008 at 03:42 PM Posted April 7, 2008 at 03:42 PM Hey Leslie, When it comes to Mauritius I'll be more than happy to mentor you. I have mentored 2-3 controllers (with approval from Ilan Jonas) up to Area Control in Mauritius so it wouldn't be a problem. We just need to check with Ilan again. With regards to VATAME, there are alot of undeveloped areas, believe me they are not neglected. Efforts were made to try and reform about 8-9 areas within the region. I think only 2 did (Congo and Jordan) with Emirates following. The problem was the lack of interest. It would be nice to see regular staffing of Mauritius as I hope to fly there more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 7, 2008 at 04:01 PM Author Posted April 7, 2008 at 04:01 PM Thanks for the info Daniel. Yes I can see your point in that for training yes perhaps I should broaden my horizon and look beyond just TWR as I guess that beyond TWR it gives the trainer more incentive as well. Originally I felt that by having to learn everything say about South Africa or Middle East Airspace would not fully benefit my interests. Yes I can take the training if prermission is given for you to help. Of course having more Indian Ocean trained staff is a winner all round as Of course if I am flying then there is nobody at home (Controlling in FIMP) if nobody is trained etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachary Beard Posted April 7, 2008 at 07:29 PM Posted April 7, 2008 at 07:29 PM It would be nice to see regular staffing of Mauritius as I hope to fly there more. Beautiful area it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 7, 2008 at 09:10 PM Author Posted April 7, 2008 at 09:10 PM In the real world as well as Flight Sim world !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahmoud Fadli 819693 Posted April 7, 2008 at 10:21 PM Posted April 7, 2008 at 10:21 PM In the real world as well as Flight Sim world !!!!! Just an update, I'm speaking to Ilan about all of this Mr. Jarrett and you should be getting a response from Ilan or myself very soon. Mahmoud A. Fadli - 819693 Deputy Region Director VATSIM Africa & Middle East Region http://www.vatame.org "Strength in Diversity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 8, 2008 at 05:56 AM Author Posted April 8, 2008 at 05:56 AM Many thanks for the update, I guess it will take some time to decide what to do and to make a good decision on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilan Jonas 860311 Posted April 8, 2008 at 06:05 AM Posted April 8, 2008 at 06:05 AM I guess it will take some time to decide what to do It won't Ilan Jonas Senior Instructor-I3 Former Vatsim Africa/Middle East Region Director(2004-2012) http://www.vatame.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Jarrett 913775 Posted April 8, 2008 at 09:28 AM Author Posted April 8, 2008 at 09:28 AM When I meant some time I was thinking of a period of a few days . In my opinion the following time terms apply NO TIME AT ALL - Already been done NOW - About to start FEW DAYS = SOME TIME which is probably a week LONG TIME - Something that is not likely to ever get started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachary Beard Posted April 8, 2008 at 01:55 PM Posted April 8, 2008 at 01:55 PM When I meant some time I was thinking of a period of a few days . In my opinion the following time terms apply NO TIME AT ALL - Already been done NOW - About to start FEW DAYS = SOME TIME which is probably a week LONG TIME - Something that is not likely to ever get started My head is spinning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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