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Chris Makris
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Chris Makris
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Yesterday I was controlling Greek Fir and also Nicosia controll was online. When the aircrafts were approaching the boundry between Greek and Cyprus Fir the next frequency Indicator was changing to the Unicom freq instead of Nicosia. The boundry line was highlightes and Nicosia Control was on teh tag drop down freq. Any ideas why this might happen? Below is the parts from the ese that declares the Greek FIR the Cyprus FIR and the coordination points between them.

 

 

Athens Control:Athens Control:129.800:66:C:LGGG:CTR:-:-:7230:7277

Nicosia Control:Nicosia:126.300:NC:C:LCCC:CTR:-:-:1260:1277

 

(The sector line between the two FIR)

SECTORLINE:EASLCCC_SCL

DISPLAY:ATH_EAS:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR

 

(Greek FIR Definition)

 

SECTOR:MAK_CTR:0:60000

OWNER:6N:66:ES

DEPAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGHI:LGMT:LGLM:LGAL:LGKV:LGTS:LGKZ:LGKA:LGLR:LGBL:LGSK:LGSY:LGTG

ARRAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGHI:LGMT:LGLM:LGAL:LGKV:LGTS:LGKZ:LGKA:LGLR:LGBL:LGSK:LGSY:LGTG

BORDER:MAKWES_SCL:MAKLAAA_SCL:MAKLWSS_SCL:MAKLBSR_SCL:MAKLTBB_SCL:MAKEAS_SCL

 

SECTOR:ATH_WES:0:60000

OWNER:6W:66:ES

DEPAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGIO:LGKR:LGPZ:LGAD:LGRX:LGKF:LGTP:LGKF

ARRAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGIO:LGKR:LGPZ:LGAD:LGRX:LGKF:LGTP:LGKF

BORDER:MAKWES_SCL:WESLAAA_SCL:WESLIBB_SCL:WESLIRR_SCL:WESSOU_SCL

 

SECTOR:ATH_SOU:0:60000

OWNER:6S:6W:66:ES

DEPAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGKL:LGKC:LGML:LGIR:LGSA:LGTL:LGZA

ARRAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGKL:LGKC:LGML:LGIR:LGSA:LGTL:LGZA

BORDER:WESSOU_SCL:SOULIRR_SCL:SOULMMM_SCL:SOUHLLL_SCL:SOUHECC_SCL:SOUEAS_SCL

 

SECTOR:ATH_EAS:0:60000

OWNER:66:ES

DEPAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGMK:LGPA:LGNX:LGSR:LGST:LGKP:LGRP:LGKO:LGPL:LGLE:LGSM:LGIK:LGKJ:LGKS:LGSO

ARRAPT:LGAV:LGTT:LGKN:LGEL:LGMG:LGMK:LGPA:LGNX:LGSR:LGST:LGKP:LGRP:LGKO:LGPL:LGLE:LGSM:LGIK:LGKJ:LGKS:LGSO

BORDER:EASHECC_SCL:EASLCCC_SCL:EASLTBB_SCL:MAKEAS_SCL:SOUEAS_SCL

 

(Cyprus Fir)

SECTOR:LCCC_CTR:0:60000

OWNER:NC:ES

BORDER:EASLCCC_SCL:EASLCCC_SCL

 

Copx with Cyprus

 

FIR_COPX:*:*:KAVOS:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:KAVOS

FIR_COPX:*:*:ABILO:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:ABILO

FIR_COPX:*:*:MAGIS:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:MAGIS

FIR_COPX:*:*:AGAPI:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:AGAPI

FIR_COPX:*:*:TOSKA:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:TOSKA

FIR_COPX:*:*:TOSKA:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:TOSKA

FIR_COPX:*:*:ALKIS:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:ALKIS

FIR_COPX:*:*:EVENO:*:*:ATH_EAS:LCCC_CTR:*:*:EVENO

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Todor Atanasov 878664
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Chris is this a one time event or it happened more then once? What altitude was the aircraft and course?

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Stephan Boerner 945550
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Just a guess: maybe it has something to do with the doubled use of the sectorline for Cyprus.

 

You can use the debug tool (left click on the altitude). ES should display the calculated sectors and altitudes, there you should be able to narrow down where the problem comes from.

Stephan Boerner

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Chris Makris
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Todor,

 

Had happend on all aircrafts that were going to Nicosia control, around 20 yesterday. All of them where from FL310 up to FL370. The course was on the correct airway towards exit point AGAPI.

 

As another controller told me the same happend with him but when LTBB was online.

 

Sthephan,

 

I will try it next time. Any sugestions on how not to use the same sector line twice? The borders are a straight line there. THe only walkaround I can think of is of using a point to make a small triangle.

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Stephan Boerner 945550
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I think you just nailed the problem. Did You want to define the Cypris sector only by this single line? Then the sector is a line and the aircraft probably never being inside the sector, as there is no 3-dimensional sector. You need to at least build a small rectangle for every sector.

Stephan Boerner

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Chris Makris
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That might be the problem indeed...

 

I would make a try to see if this solves the problem

 

Thank you

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Todor Atanasov 878664
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Chris a sector to be defined and ES to use it it has to be a CLOSED object. You can see how I did it. I don't need the exact border of the all sectors, just the border line with my sectors. So I just put some general points to defined it, but it must be a CLOSED object. Just build a point somewhere to defind a general outlook of the sector.

(see LTBB and LTAA FIR )

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Chris Makris
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Thank you all,

 

That was the problem, I defined the sectors as closed object and everything is working correctly now

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