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Yvan Ung 987353
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Yvan Ung 987353
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For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet?

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Aggrey Ellis 964561
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For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet?

 

It's kinda hard to get information for a country like Somalia. I dont think HCMM is even in use right now. You'd probably need Jeppesen. Navigraph doesnt cover it, but who knows someone at VATCAF might manage to pull the rabbit out of the hat somehow.

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Tony Kovacs 958372
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We were staffing and flying at HCMM today in preparation for an event we will be doing there soon. This entire country has only one NDB. There are no other navigation aids or ILS anywhere in the entire country. We use military style Precision Radar Approach procecures for IFR aircraft in IFR conditions and have proven today that we can handle landings in the required 1 mile visibility conditions safely. The details of the event will be made available to the public shortly.

 

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Thomas Mathieu 998318
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Movement control testing is underway and very sucessful at Mogadishu. Expect more news soon

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Aggrey Ellis 964561
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I thought the ATC IRL was provided from Kenya and flights below a certain level and into Mogadishu were at your own risk.

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Thomas Mathieu 998318
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For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet?

 

If you "expect" to fly into or depart from HCMM Mogadishu, be sure to download the scenery http://www.vatcaf.org/sceneries.php as FS9 default scenery does not have the aprons and taxiway.

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Thomas Mathieu

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Thomas Mathieu 998318
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I thought the ATC IRL was provided from Kenya and flights below a certain level and into Mogadishu were at your own risk.

 

In IRL, special missions are set up for movements in an airspace such as Somalia. Although there is no fixed government ATC, the UN regularly sets up radar service for it's missions within Central Africa.

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Ahmed Hasan 958620
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I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this

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Tony Kovacs 958372
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I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this

 

We weren't kidding

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Jason Baxter 920557
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When the DAFIF was up they had old USAF charts for the area. DAFIF is gone, but maybe someone saved them?

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Thomas Mathieu 998318
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I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this

 

You are correct, Mogadishu is a place you do not want to fly your Air France 747 into. Missions here are reserved for the local airline and special UN or military Missions. Cars use the runway to avoid the perils of driving thriough the city.

 

If there is a VATCAF Movement Control position open online at the airport, landing there will be at your own risk. The runway is about 10,000 feet in length, about 40 feet in elevation. and has 2 aprons (you must use the scenery add-on in above post to see the aprons). The runway is oriented on a heading of about 050/230, FS 2004 lists the rwy's as 05/23 and AIRAC 0810 FMC data lists the rwys as 04/22. VATCAF Movement control has [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned the rwy numbers 05/23.

 

There is only 1 NDB docomeented in the entire country of Somalia so RNAV is you best bet finding your way around here.

 

More info will be posted as the VATCAF specialized team digs it up.

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Aggrey Ellis 964561
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I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this

 

You are correct, Mogadishu is a place you do not want to fly your Air France 747 into. Missions here are reserved for the local airline and special UN or military Missions. Cars use the runway to avoid the perils of driving thriough the city.

 

If there is a VATCAF Movement Control position open online at the airport, landing there will be at your own risk. The runway is about 10,000 feet in length, about 40 feet in elevation. and has 2 aprons (you must use the scenery add-on in above post to see the aprons). The runway is oriented on a heading of about 050/230, FS 2004 lists the rwy's as 05/23 and AIRAC 0810 FMC data lists the rwys as 04/22. VATCAF Movement control has [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned the rwy numbers 05/23.

 

There is only 1 NDB docomeented in the entire country of Somalia so RNAV is you best bet finding your way around here.

 

More info will be posted as the VATCAF specialized team digs it up.

Do they even have a few AM radio stations?

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Yvan Ung 987353
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I have the HCMM add-on. But more adventurous pilots can try and pilot HCMM, cars or no cars. Taking off here is no big deal, but one has to be patient when landing.

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Marco Balzarotti 1004607
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The Mogadishu Aden Adde International Airport is today almost in disuse due to the war in Somalia, only military and UN flights are still using HCMM for their movements. The few commercial/civil flights made by several minor african airlines to and from Mogadishu are located at the "K50 Airport". The K50 name is derived from its location 50 kilometres south of Mogadishu, no IATA and no ICAO codes available for this airport. The K50 Airport is not available in the FS2004 default scenery.

 

K50 Airport specs:

 

Runway is 04/22

Runway Surface is made of sand

Runway lenght is 5,698Ft

 

There is something similar in the default FS2004 scenery and it is the Uadan Highway Strip, ID code is Z27P. The Uadan Highway Strip is basically made of a paved 3.600Ft runway with Rwy markings 25/7 and the runway it is exactly built over an highway. The "airport" is on the top of a 1.000ft hill south of HCMM.

 

I think that flying an event at HCMM with PRA only would be simply amazing.

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Thomas Mathieu 998318
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I think that flying an event at HCMM with PRA only would be simply amazing.

 

Stay tuned...VATCAF is planning an event at HCMM this month.

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Yvan Ung 987353
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Just hope the whole event is not just about PRAs!

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