Matthew Lewis 878286 Posted June 17, 2005 at 09:23 PM Posted June 17, 2005 at 09:23 PM I'll make this brief, tonight I saw 16 messages on the ATC channel from the same FIR in a row in the space of 2 to 3 minutes which seemed like general chat. Can I just remind everyone that for those controllers who have text pilots on frequency, it is extremely annoying when a pilot says you have ignored his call because it has been caught up in the ATC channel "conversations". It must be reminded that the ATC Channel should be used for operational or important information not conversations with other controllers. Please use the private chat boxes by double clicking on the controller you wish to talk to. Many Thanks, Matthew Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas George 827476 Posted June 19, 2005 at 08:12 AM Posted June 19, 2005 at 08:12 AM Code of Conduct, section C9: Controllers should not carry on private conversations between themselves, pilots or other individuals on the active communication frequency, the ATC channel or on the “guard†Thomas George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Stein 810353 Posted July 5, 2005 at 05:58 PM Posted July 5, 2005 at 05:58 PM Does this include ATC voice channels. Or just text channels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Blackburn Posted July 5, 2005 at 06:20 PM Posted July 5, 2005 at 06:20 PM This refers to text messages. Remember that a controller only has a few lines of text visible and if someone is using ATC text messages inappropriately then the likelyhood increases of a valid text message being missed. Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Marinakis Posted July 5, 2005 at 07:47 PM Posted July 5, 2005 at 07:47 PM This refers to text messages. Actually, it does not. It would cover both text and voice. George S. Marinakis VATSIM6, co-Founder, VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Blackburn Posted July 5, 2005 at 11:25 PM Posted July 5, 2005 at 11:25 PM George, What voice is there for ATC channel? I think common sense would prevail that controllers wouldnt chat on an active control frequency since one would hope they collectively would be to busy to do so. Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hjemvick 811983 Posted July 6, 2005 at 01:01 AM Posted July 6, 2005 at 01:01 AM George, What voice is there for ATC channel? I think common sense would prevail that controllers wouldnt chat on an active control frequency since one would hope they collectively would be to busy to do so. lol, my thoughts exactly. . . if there is a predefined ARTCC / FIR voice room, why would we need to regulate the spam (controller to controller chit chat) that is there, when it is all internal information for the ARTCC / FIR. That's like us regulating the Override, or Intercom feature. Doesn't make much sense. CMEL.CSEL.IA.AGI.CFI.CFII.MEI.CRJ2.FO.Furloughed Part of the Acey 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted July 6, 2005 at 02:01 AM Posted July 6, 2005 at 02:01 AM Perhaps George just meant that irrelevant chit-chat on the voice frequencies can also cause problems. There certainly have been times when I've connected to a frequency only to hear the controller shooting the breeze with a pilot or two, and I was unable to check in until there was some empty time on the frequency. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Naslund Posted April 5, 2006 at 07:23 AM Posted April 5, 2006 at 07:23 AM Hi, This has happened to me too and in some countries they seem to 90% speak their own local lingo and i have no option but to "butt in" as i don't have a clue if they are in the middle of a conversation or if it just finished. Cheers / Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Catherwood 903683 Posted April 5, 2006 at 02:22 PM Posted April 5, 2006 at 02:22 PM One thing I don't quite get is why controllers are reprimanded for using the ATC channel to notify all active ATC visible (isn't this what the channel is for?) about holding aircraft or other non-private information which is relevant to the situation? It's a lot quicker than .box allControllers 1A 2A 3A 0A 2B 3C 0S ..., then sending a message, which then [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umes they have the time themselves to look at the PM. Then, if you're like me, the ATC PM system breaks and then I cannot view recieved PMs from anyone in the group until I have time to exit ASRC, open it back up, log in, re-tag all aircraft, re-set prim freq, re-center, etc. KZSE C3/Facilities Administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Biderman Posted April 5, 2006 at 05:44 PM Posted April 5, 2006 at 05:44 PM I don't think use of the /atc channel for necessary, inter-controller communication is forbidden (although that's what chat boxes, intercom, override, etc are supposed to be for). It's those "I'm here!.......NOW......I'm ONLINE.........AT THIS MINUTE!!!!" messages from Fleasville Delivery that half the network has to read because he's got his range set at 600 miles is what is frowned upon. As with anything, it's a common sense issue. Paul Biderman ZAN DATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Pola 843115 Posted April 6, 2006 at 08:11 AM Posted April 6, 2006 at 08:11 AM One thing I don't quite get is why controllers are reprimanded for using the ATC channel to notify all active ATC visible (isn't this what the channel is for?) about holding aircraft or other non-private information which is relevant to the situation? It's a lot quicker than .box allControllers 1A 2A 3A 0A 2B 3C 0S ..., then sending a message, which then [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umes they have the time themselves to look at the PM. Then, if you're like me, the ATC PM system breaks and then I cannot view recieved PMs from anyone in the group until I have time to exit ASRC, open it back up, log in, re-tag all aircraft, re-set prim freq, re-center, etc. Because it such messages come every 5 or 10 seconds, text messages from your own pilots disappears very quickly. I've been in this situation a few times and it's very annoying. This has been between one or more GND, TWR and APP positions, and internal to them only, no need for me as CTR 300 nm away in another FIR to read these messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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