Anthony Atkielski 985811 Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM Does the real world require time slots and advance registration for all IFR flights? If not, then why VATSIM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Catherwood 903683 Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM The FAA has not yet announced if/when they will set up an STMP for the Super Bowl. KZSE C3/Facilities Administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:31 PM Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:31 PM anthony. see the following docomeent, itll help answer your questions http://zmaartcc.net/Robbie/Super_Bowl_09/superbowl_pilot09.pdf as far as i know, yes time slots are used in the real world aswell for airport/airline ops. for example when i worked at EWR, the airline could recieve a fine if they were not out of the gate by the scheduled time. you wont get fined here this is merely for traffic management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Jason Vodnansky 810003 Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM Posted January 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM The FAA's ESTMP site can be found here... https://www.fly.faa.gov/estmp/index.html Let's see, NOPE, no slots required... Jason Vodnansky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bailey 969331 Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:05 AM Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:05 AM Honestly guys? Why are we all of a sudden nailing ZMA for their efforts to have an orderly event? Almost every large event of this nature in the past has used a booking system, including Cross the Pond. Alex Bailey ZMA I-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Klain 874106 Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:14 AM Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:14 AM OK folks, as discussed in the other (locked thread) this issue is being handled at the BoG, VATNA, VATUSA, ZMA level. No need for a lot of finger-pointing back and forth. There are concerns about the procedures that were announced and discussions are in progress. We'll make an announcement once that is complete. Until that time, please give the system a chance to work. I really don't want to lock down this thread. Thanks, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Krajcar Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:44 AM Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:44 AM I'm not going to clutter up the thread, but I did want to answer Alex's question in case others are wondering too. Honestly guys? Why are we all of a sudden nailing ZMA for their efforts to have an orderly event? Almost every large event of this nature in the past has used a booking system, including Cross the Pond. The issue is: registration is required for all IFR arrivals Large events recommend booking systems; that's a very different sort of fish than requiring a booking, which opens a whole bunch of cans of worms, which is why Dave is on the case. Tim Krajcar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bailey 969331 Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:48 AM Posted January 2, 2009 at 05:48 AM Thanks for the clarification Tim! I wasn't aware that it was required of all and it's not what I was told previously. Alex Bailey ZMA I-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Atkielski 985811 Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:32 PM Author Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:32 PM Since this registration requirement has no real-world parallel, I think I'll p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] on this event—I'm too much of a realism junkie. The real-world registration is simply an IFR flight plan. Even MITRE events allow "unregistered" flights. It is true that some airports allocate a limited number of slots to flights, but that is specific to a small handful of extremely busy airports, not a general rule. And I can't imagine any airport on VATSIM running out of gates. So allocating slots has a real-world parallel, but that's different from the registration requirement here, it seems. Good luck with your event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Ramsey 810181 Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:38 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:38 PM Since this registration requirement has no real-world parallel, I think I'll p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] on this event—I'm too much of a realism junkie. The real-world registration is simply an IFR flight plan. Even MITRE events allow "unregistered" flights. It is true that some airports allocate a limited number of slots to flights, but that is specific to a small handful of extremely busy airports, not a general rule. And I can't imagine any airport on VATSIM running out of gates. So allocating slots has a real-world parallel, but that's different from the registration requirement here, it seems. Good luck with your event. I knew there would be a silver lining to all this. Kyle Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:40 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:40 PM I knew there would be a silver lining to all this. UGH! I spat my coke all over my monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Atkielski 985811 Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:40 PM Author Posted January 2, 2009 at 06:40 PM I knew there would be a silver lining to all this. Address the topic, not people or emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Ramsey 810181 Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:03 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:03 PM You made it personal, I simply applauded your decision not to attend without commenting on your incorrect information in the post and recognized how that outcome could only make the ZMA event better. I chose to applaud so that those who have worked hard to make this event possible know that your opinion holds no weight whatsoever and they can count on the rest of the VATSIM leadership to support them and their efforts, including calling out posters who's comments are designed to drag things down, not make them better. No response would be the superior choice, Anthony. Kyle Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Atkielski 985811 Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:04 PM Author Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:04 PM Discuss the topic, not people or emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Johns Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:16 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 07:16 PM Having essentially orchestrated the 2008 Super Bowl in to PHX, and from a real life perspective, let me say this. Even if there isn't some formal slot system put in place in real life, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be some hefty miles in trail restrictions put in place on to ZHU/ZTL/ZJX/ZMA for arrivals in and around TPA. Large miles in trail requires careful metering. Careful metering doesn't exist on this network in the form of a contiguous, nationwide TMU system. In light of this fact, reservations, and the simple hope that pilots will at least try and comply with some time slots is a viable option. Bear in mind, as well, the super bowl restrictions last year in real life didn't come out until 1/17/08. Just be patient people... not like the FAA works lightning fast or anything. ~Nate Nate Johns "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Dr. Thomas Fuller, Gnomologia, 1732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Johnson 814050 Posted January 2, 2009 at 09:10 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 09:10 PM Since this registration requirement has no real-world parallel. Uhh... STMP is the real world parallel... and it's too early yet to say if the FAA will create a STMP for the Super Bowl, but it's likely given the complexity of the central Florida airspace. Jim Johnson VP - Membership (VATGOV12) j.johnson(at)vatsim.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Klain 874106 Posted January 2, 2009 at 09:17 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 09:17 PM OK folks, as I posted, I am in discussions with the appropriate leaders shortly. Expect to see guidance on how this will function on VATSIM in the near future. Remember that on VATSIM we do not do political, war or security issures (TFRS, DC ADIZ, etc.). What is being sorted out is what traffic management controls will be put in place for what promises to be a big fly-in. I worked with ZAB on last year's event in PHX and it went very well. Expect to see similar results this year! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Johnston 890281 Posted January 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM Discuss the topic, not people or emotions. Haven't heard that one before. Now you see what happens when you make yourself the topic, bruh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted January 2, 2009 at 11:50 PM Posted January 2, 2009 at 11:50 PM This reminds me, and I hope that either someone who was around then could confirm this, let alone someone who was in ZLC at the time. IIRC, back in 2002, there was the Park City Fly-in, for the Olympics being held there. What I'm trying to remember (and need help with) was that I believe there was a TFR set up for the duration of that fly-in, and to go along with the real-world NOTAMs at the time, each arrival into the airports for the fly-in (SLC, BTF, OGD, U42, 42U, TVY, HII), you any arrival (especially any international arrival) had to stop at a designated airport of entry/inspection before continuing on to the SLC area, plus needed reservation to get into the SLC area. Real-world wise, I know this is true, because I entertained some guests at LAS who were on their way to SLC, and LAS was a designated airport of entry/inspection (as was DEN, BOI, and a few others). They had to stop there, not fly all the way through. If that worked out and without a hitch, a simple simulation of a TFR like this, and like what Nate had at ZAB last year is nothing. I'll see if that NOTAM is around somewhere, because it was an interesting one. EDIT: Found the NOTAM. They were Gateway airports where the insection would take place. Airports were KBOI, KGJT, KCOS, and KLAS: http://tinyurl.com/78sqml Very interesting NOTAM. I do remember an event around the time of the Games; what I don't remember is if they used the TFR as depicted in the NOTAM. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted January 3, 2009 at 03:43 AM Posted January 3, 2009 at 03:43 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Williams 877539 Posted January 3, 2009 at 06:08 AM Posted January 3, 2009 at 06:08 AM Here's my opinion. Let the ARTCC's have some fun. As long as they don't berate or prevent a pilot from flying, there's absolutely no harm in letting them simulate a TFR or some other non-standard event. We had suicide ops in ZLA during the middle of the evening (which would never happen real world) and the pilots and controllers had a BLAST. In terms of the TFR, the ARTCC should instruct their controllers to use language like: "N12345, there's a temporary TFR in place. Can I suggest you do the following..." but if the pilot absolutely refuses, just send him on his way and get him out of the airspace to make room for those that are willing to have some fun and play along. This is one of the nice features of a simulated network - we can have fun trying some things which wouldn't normally happen real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Conway 1008126 Posted January 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM Posted January 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM Please Note** Pilot Registrations for the Super Bowl '09 Event will close at 0500Z (12am EST)! You MUST be registered before this time in order to be eligible for one of the Super Bowl Prizes! Super Bowl Home page: http://zmaartcc.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=87 Pilot Registrations: http://zmaartcc.net/index.php?option=com_artforms&formid=8 Regards, There is only 1 thing in the world that I really want to do. To fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Turner Posted February 6, 2009 at 03:02 PM Posted February 6, 2009 at 03:02 PM I have to say that ZTL,ZJX and ZMA provided me outstanding service on my flight in to Tampa... I had a GREAT time... Thanks guys! Jeff "JU" Turner US Army Retired http://www.skyblueradio.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bailey 969331 Posted February 6, 2009 at 07:32 PM Posted February 6, 2009 at 07:32 PM JT, you provided outstanding music and publicity Saturday before the event on the radio. Excellent job! Alex Bailey ZMA I-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Turner Posted February 8, 2009 at 12:11 AM Posted February 8, 2009 at 12:11 AM JT, you provided outstanding music and publicity Saturday before the event on the radio. Excellent job! No problem man, that's what we're here for.... =) Now you guys need to come to Denver's Rumble at the end of the month.... Jeff "JU" Turner US Army Retired http://www.skyblueradio.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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