Air Traffic Controller Discussion With a Global Perspective
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#502934 Hello,

Just an info note of interest to those tutoring or training for air traffic control: the ATC-pie tower and radar simulator I put out now has a student-teacher connection mode allowing teachers to create situations and manipulate traffic in real-time for a connected student to work with. The teacher can spawn, move, fly, land... aircraft, change the wind and neighbouring ATC environment, send/receive strips, and snapshot situations to recall for the student to work again.

It is not meant to replace or interfere with any of the VATSIM rating process, but it may be used on the side by pairs of users wishing to work sessions together. I have learnt that Euroscope could play preset scenarios, but there can be situations in which live control of the traffic can be an advantage. So feel free to try it out!

Have fun and (make) fly safe.
By Oscar Berenguer 1344329
#502943 I've been trying this program and it could be called ATC_PRO :P.
As a student that I am, I would perfecly glad that my mentor used this software than sweetbox. It's NOT difficult and you can play in solo mode so that means you dont need even a teacher or be a S3 :)
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#502958 Hello,

ATC-pie is packaged with the latest X-plane data cycle and was designed to rely on no external resource (except for the FlightGear scenery if you choose to render the tower view internally). Therefore no further data file is required for it to work, and most of the airports in the world are depicted fine, together with all surrounding navaids and fixes. The only exception is ground taxi/apron route networks which are still of very bad (yet growing) quality and only reasonably usable at certain locations. In any case, missing or bogus data can always be adjusted in separate custom files to preserve the default package from corruption.

So your short answer is no.

Consequently though, no airspace or country borders are provided out of the box. If you want such display, you can:
  • import any number of image files in the radar background---why not a screen shot of your EuroScope (!);
  • draw lines and labels with hand-written spec files---if the demand grows for use of VATSIM sector files in ATC-pie, I should easily provide a quick conversion script to generate them automatically.
By Thimo Koolen 1345135
#502960 I tried it out and it looks good.

* How can I clear an aircraft for the ILS approach and clear to land? I couldn't figure that out.

* I can't start a ground session, because there are no parking positions. How could this be fixed?

* How would I import a screenshot from Euroscope (e.g. Approach sector file) and have it fit correctly?
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#502969 Hi, thanks for trying it out! I appreciate it.

Quick remark first since this is not exactly about VATSIM: there is an ATC-pie support forum already hosted under FlightGear. You may want to take the pure troubleshooting stuff there, if only to find the help at all. I do not know whether it is good practice on my part or directing you to where you would rather not go (?), but I just wanted to point it out.

Secondly before answering your questions below, it looks more like you have tried solo sessions than the tutoring mode (my original topic), but it is the good first step because the way in which you control traffic as a teacher is almost the same as the way you do in solo, with only small differences.

Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:How can I clear an aircraft for the ILS approach and clear to land? I couldn't figure that out.

First, if you have NOT been middle-clicking at all, you probably need to do some strip linking first (i.e. aircraft identifying) to use the workbench properly. Match the the transponder codes. See video 2 (~ 3:32) of the video tutorial for a demo of strip links.

Then, to enable the "cleared ILS/visual approach" instruction for an aircraft, you need it to know what RWY to expect. Either it told you one it was already established for, or you instruct them with the "expect RWY" instruction. If the aircraft is requesting a visual approach, it must also have reported the runway in sight---until then you must vector them down the approach path. You will find both of these instructions on the instruction panel, in the approach tab. Have a look at the feature note on "playing solo", currently section 2.2 of the user guide wiki page.

Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:I can't start a ground session, because there are no parking positions. How could this be fixed?

To play ground, you need parking positions and a taxi route network. Unfortunately only some airports have decent specs for them, like OMDB, KPIT, KSFO. If you want to create them for an airport, you will have to use the WED software. Perhaps you can be lucky and find one available through the X-plane gateway.

Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:How would I import a screenshot from Euroscope (e.g. Approach sector file) and have it fit correctly?

Three things will help you most:
- the "background images" section of the user guide
- the resources/bg-img/Notice file
- the provided KSFO example

[EDIT]
Two more things:
1. if you have a text file defining lines to draw from Earth coords (which I think a sector file basically is), the best way is probably to use "DRAW" files instead of pixmap images
2. if you do go for a picture snapshot, you can either make corners meet identifiable navpoints (easy to enter programmatically), or use the image positioning helper to find the coordinates that fit best
[/EDIT]
By Dace Nicmane 1313735
#502979
Michael Filhol 1269327 wrote:To play ground, you need parking positions and a taxi route network. Unfortunately only some airports have decent specs for them, like OMDB, KPIT, KSFO. If you want to create them for an airport, you will have to use the WED software. Perhaps you can be lucky and find one available through the X-plane gateway.

Thimo, if you're looking for EHAM, I can add the taxi network, I just checked quickly that the gateway EHAM doesn't have it.
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#502982
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:I can't seem to get the ILS to work. I made sure that the runways have the ILS box ticked, but I have no idea how to clear the aircrafts for the approach.

We will need a little more info to help you out... Assuming that by "ILS box ticked" you mean you have ticked "this runway has ILS" in the runway parameters (options > airport settings).

What happens when you click on the "cleared ILS/visual approach" instruction button? It should only be one of two things.
Either: the aircraft properly reads back the clearance (check at the bottom of the text chat pane), in which case you are fine and the aircraft should intercept the LOC and the GS whenever able---bring it like you should at reasonable height within a ~30° angle to LOC line;
Or: some form of error is reported (e.g. nobody responding or aircraft rejecting the clearance), then tell us what message you get.
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#502987
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:I can't find a "cleared ILS/visual approach" instruction button.

You do not seem to have the instruction panel open! Go to the View menu, click on "instructions" to make it visible and arrange/float/dock it where you want. The instructions you are after are under the "approach" tab. You must have missed the following in the user guide:
Code: Select allall other instructions (line up and wait, clear to land, etc.) must be sent from the dockable instruction panel


Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:There is a message command "intercept LOC, cleared ILS", but that doesn't include the runway.

At this time those preset messages do not generate instructions for solo games. They are entirely customisable and rather meant for comm's in multi-player sessions. Though I grant you that instructions all generate messages, so this one is probably redundant.

Incidentally, I am seeing that your strips only display one line while they should two. Can you PM me more about your computer, system, Qt and PyQt configs?
By Thimo Koolen 1345135
#502989
Michael Filhol 1269327 wrote:
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:I can't find a "cleared ILS/visual approach" instruction button.

You do not seem to have the instruction panel open! Go to the View menu, click on "instructions" to make it visible and arrange/float/dock it where you want. The instructions you are after are under the "approach" tab. You must have missed the following in the user guide:
Code: Select allall other instructions (line up and wait, clear to land, etc.) must be sent from the dockable instruction panel



Got it! Thanks for pointing out.

Michael Filhol 1269327 wrote:
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:There is a message command "intercept LOC, cleared ILS", but that doesn't include the runway.

At this time those preset messages do not generate instructions for solo games. They are entirely customisable and rather meant for comm's in multi-player sessions. Though I grant you that instructions all generate messages, so this one is probably redundant.

Incidentally, I am seeing that your strips only display one line while they should two. Can you PM me more about your computer, system, Qt and PyQt configs?

What information about Qt and PyQt do you need (and how do I get that information?)? I installed both a few days ago, so it's the latest.

I run Windows 10 on an Intel i7-4770K with an MSI GeForce GTX760 2gb, but I don't think these are important for it.
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#503132
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:I run Windows 10

After checking with a few users, I realised that that was in fact enough info, and that many other people must have been playing with bad looking strips. :-(
So I redesigned the strip display system, and you should be able to enjoy new fresh-looking strips with version r10g just released. Thank you for sending your screenshot!
By Michael Filhol 1269327
#503133 And sorry I forgot:
Michael Filhol 1269327 wrote:
Thimo Koolen 1345135 wrote:How would I import a screenshot from Euroscope (e.g. Approach sector file) and have it fit correctly?

if you have a text file defining lines to draw from Earth coords (which I think a sector file basically is), the best way is probably to use "DRAW" files instead of pixmap images

The new r10g provides a script to import the GEO stuff contained in VATSIM-type sector files (.sct), which you might want to try. It does all the tedious coordinate translation work for you, however the result obviously needs some redacting, object selecting, etc. afterwards.