Air Traffic Controller Discussion With a Global Perspective
By Tom David 1256094
#531025
Tristan Garratt 1412849 wrote:Stephen, Flights should be able to be denied, in events that are slotted, and where traffic is too much where an aircraft will interfere, i.e VFR.


Denying clearance to an invalid flight plan is exactly what a real controller would do
By Andreas Fuchs 810809
#531030 Hi Tom,

compared to me you rather seem to be a newbie-pilot with VATSIM (you joined on Christmas Day 2013, I joined "a few months" earlier :D). So, please just accept our rules: per definition there are no "invalid flightplans" at VATSIM.

Yes, I do prefer realistic flightplans, too. And, yes, I do not like pilots filing flightplans that have something like "GPS DCT" as route or "Boeing 737-800NG" as type of aircraft. How to work on the routes I have explained in my previous post. For the type of aircraft I normally correct it myself and then let the pilot know that it was wrong, what the correct code is AND where it can be found for future flights. Takes a few seconds on private chat. This is called service.

Oh, btw., Tom, you keep filing your flightplans incorrectly: your type of aircraft is consistently missing the type of navigation capability. For most of the planes that you have been using in recent months it should be an /L (/L RNAV capability with Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) with en route and terminal capability, and with RVSM).
Luckily most other pilots do file their plans correctly with the correct code. If not, us ATCOs need to add it manually, otherwise you do not show up correctly on our ground radar displays. I gladly do it, it is a service.
By Steven Perry 810054
#531035
Tom David 1256094 wrote:
Tristan Garratt 1412849 wrote:Stephen, Flights should be able to be denied, in events that are slotted, and where traffic is too much where an aircraft will interfere, i.e VFR.


Denying clearance to an invalid flight plan is exactly what a real controller would do


Nope. They work with the real pilots to make it work. I’ve filed a wrong altitude and, instead of yelling at me or trying to embarrass me or even just flat ignoring me, the kind and professional controller asked if I wanted a thousand above or a thousand below. I’ve also spent hours trying to flightplan a way for my Piper to traverse the Boston-Washington corridor only to have the first controller I spoke to give me a brand new routing with only the origin and the destination being the same.

Even if the pilot is a danger to himself and others, the controllers duty is to provide for the safe orderly and expeditious flow of traffic... not to be a cop.

https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/acc ... in-a-twin/
By Steve Galasso 811389
#531041
Tom David 1256094 wrote:
Tristan Garratt 1412849 wrote:Stephen, Flights should be able to be denied, in events that are slotted, and where traffic is too much where an aircraft will interfere, i.e VFR.


Denying clearance to an invalid flight plan is exactly what a real controller would do


No, it isn't.
By Lindsey Wiebe 1101951
#531067
Steve Galasso 811389 wrote:
Tom David 1256094 wrote:
Tristan Garratt 1412849 wrote:Stephen, Flights should be able to be denied, in events that are slotted, and where traffic is too much where an aircraft will interfere, i.e VFR.


Denying clearance to an invalid flight plan is exactly what a real controller would do


No, it isn't.


Technically they would, HOWEVER, they would also ask you "advise ready to copy revised clearance" and then give you what they want you to do.

It boils down to there are WAY more controllers in real life, so in busy airspace on Vatsim the workload is much higher. Real life they would break sectors down and put more controllers on, this isn't always possible here. In Real Life if a pilot was really "not getting it" they'd give him or her the dreaded "call tower at phone #..." and then a SUP would deal with them. So maybe controllers (I'm not a controller here or real life) should/could use the Sup more for situations such as this.
By Steve Galasso 811389
#531068 Yes, being given a revised clearance on the ground or later in the air is a likely scenario. Unable to comply with new issued routing would result in vectors or an alternate course. Just simply denying and really, ignoring someone is not what would happen in real life. I am a real world fully certified center controller.

Dealing with inexperienced pilots is an everyday occurrence and not unique to the OP's pretentious video ridiculing 16 year olds who are attempting to learn something and know they aren't real pilots which is why they are in a simulated environment to begin with.
By Ryan Geckler 1104849
#531070
Steve Galasso 811389 wrote:Yes, being given a revised clearance on the ground or later in the air is a likely scenario. Unable to comply with new issued routing would result in vectors or an alternate course. Just simply denying and really, ignoring someone is not what would happen in real life. I am a real world fully certified center controller.


This is the only correct answer. Headings and no-gyro vectors are always an option.
By Daniel Morris 1132365
#531427 funny part of the video is regarding "power mad Sup's" when actually the author sounds upset he can't go power mad and is stunned to find out that his abhorrent behavior is against rule 1a,

I was really put off flying from a certain airfield because a particular controller there was rude in general. Some controllers feel the need to belittle others and forget that air traffic isn't about policing, it's about flight safety...
I speak to air traffic controllers daily and have had sit-in sessions with them, none of them posses attitudes displayed on this video and as anybody that flies in the real world will attest, you find incompetence aplenty.