Air Traffic Controller Discussion With a Global Perspective
By Romano Lara 1018198
#534173
Daniel Morris 1132365 wrote:Arthur simply wishes to fly with other people, without atc, I would recommend connecting to the network on swift as an observer, in this way he won't have to interact with any services at the same time not impeding others.

Going back to the chap who replied to my post, a personalised friendly contact me is perfect, if you can make it sound welcoming; the newbie may be less startled, I encourage it.


Oh this is perfect, even with vPilot there's also an observer mode...
Perfect for the likes of Arthur who wish not to interact with ATC or anyone else.
By Richard Quigley 885897
#534180 Each Division provides a training program for its own controllers. The training programs must meet the VATSIM requirments as set out in the Global Ratings Policy. https://www.vatsim.net/documents/global-ratings-policy

All of us, Controllers and Pilots, are governed by the VATSIM Code of Regulations
https://www.vatsim.net/documents/code-of-regulations and Code of Conduct.
https://www.vatsim.net/documents/code-of-conduct
By Andreas Fuchs 810809
#534182
Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:Who controls the controllers and to what code??

Please elaborate.
By Johnny Coughlan 861497
#534192
Andreas Fuchs 810809 wrote:
Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:Who controls the controllers and to what code??

Please elaborate.


Please don't.

This guy is out to troll people, dont fall for it :D.

Arthur seems to not be taking the upcoming demise of FSINN well https://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=78853&p=533519#p533519

He's an FS2004/FSINN user who wants to keep the status quo, yet does not take part in the spirit the network was founded on, ATC and pilots interacting and working together as evident by his own admission.

May the network roll forward with the much needed updates and not be held hostage to people like this any longer.
By Arthur Melton 1092578
#534206 Well Johnny boy, I will admit I am an FS2004 and FSInn user .Why should I get the modern Flight sims when FS9/FSinn has every thing anyone would want including ATC which works well. Also why would I want to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery. And if, if, vatsim boffins get a new comms system working that's when you can get rid of me and close me down with pleasure .Art
By Johnny Coughlan 861497
#534227
Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:I will admit I am an FS2004 and FSInn user


No need to, simple forum search on past posts indicate that.

Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:Why should I get the modern Flight sims when FS9/FSinn has every thing anyone would want including ATC which works well.


Nobody is forcing you to get a 'Modern' flight sim, you're trying to force the community to keep the status quo because it suits your personal needs.

Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:Also why would I want to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery.


Nobody is forcing you to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery.

Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:And if, if, vatsim boffins


You mean the hard working volunteers who give up ther personal time to help make this hobby progress to the benefit of the community as a whole?.

Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:if, if, vatsim boffins get a new comms system working


It is working, thanks to the skill, hard work and dedication of the developmet team volunteers, its been tested and passed by all accounts.

Arthur Melton 1092578 wrote:that's when you can get rid of me and close me down with pleasure .Art


Nobody is getting rid of you, if you want to stick with an unsupported flight simulator and pilot client you're just going to fizzly away naurally into that good night.

Take care Arthur.
By George Peppard 1388987
#534427 Going back to the original topic of this thread...

Perhaps VRC is different - the default contact me message for us on EuroScope is "Please contact me on xxx.xx". This seems perfectly welcoming to me. As this thread has more than highlighted, there will always be pilots for which observer mode is more suited - for the rest of us, controllers are there to control, and most pilots seem perfectly pleased with that.

After all, we don't prefix every turn or descent with "please", do we :D
By Mark Taylor 1268798
#534844 My take is this...

Vatsim network is one big sand box for both controllers and pilots. Controllers need pilots to play the game. Pilots don't need controllers. By disconnecting immediately after receiving a contact request the pilot is saying "I don't want to play with you..."

Hey, we want to play too!
By Tim Simpson 1339557
#535514 Sometimes a pilot is only on the network because it's recommended, or required by a VA. I'll admit, there are times when I logon, but don't really want the ATC, but just want to monitor my progress on one of the sites like VATTASTIC. It's easy to get around the whole ATC thing though. Just tell the controller you need to step away from the mic for 30 minutes, and that's that. By the time you "come back", you're out of most ATC sectors.
By Tim Simpson 1339557
#535524
Robert Shearman Jr 1155655 wrote:The 30 minute rule applies in non-controlled space. In controlled space you need either to actively monitor for ATC instruction, or disconnect.


You are correct about the uncontrolled airspace, no permission is required.

In controlled airspace, just tell the controller you need to step away for 30 minutes, and that's it. Very few will fight that request, and deny it. It's how you present it to them. In other words, tell them (ATC) what you are going to do (leave comms for 30 minutes), instead of asking. Presenting it that way primes them to accept what you want, and very few will ever push back in my experience of doing this. Just a matter of using "human expectations and psychology" as a lever to get what you want from the controller.
By Andreas Fuchs 810809
#535526 No Tim, this is not the way it is supposed to be done! :shock: :evil: :roll:

I for my part normally approve pilots being away from their computers, but they have to be back before the end of my sector.

If you are not interested in flying with ATC, then kindly disconnect from VATSIM or don't connect to it at all, we don't need pilots performing flights like this, they are completely useless, if not insulting to controllers. I don't care whether your VA asks for it or whether you use VATSIM to follow your flight progress. There are programs on the market that do the same.
By Kirk Christie 956763
#535540
Tim Simpson 1339557 wrote:Sometimes a pilot is only on the network because it's recommended, or required by a VA.


While it is good to see a VA encouraging members to fly on the networks, you should be flying on the network because you want to experience what the network has to offer, not because your VA requires you to. VA's that have this requirement need to rethink their strategies, and members that join VA's with these requirements and fly solely on the network because of it, need to re think their choice in VA, because obviously, the for the most part is not meeting the desires off that member.