Pilot Discussion With a Global Perspective
By Tim Simpson 1339557
#535613 How tolerant are european controllers with U.S. based pilots that aren't experienced with the differences in europe ATC? I've looked at some guides online, but don't relish being denigrated for making a small mistake like calling a "stand" a "gate."

What would be a good country/route to get started with, and ease the transition?
By Norman Blackburn 870575
#535615 I would suggest either Scandinavia, Netherlands or Germany. All great places with very tolerant ATC. That said, you should still enjoy your time no matter where in Europe you travelled.
By Lindsey Wiebe 1101951
#535616 Honestly, any. Just like real life it's awesome on Vatsim when you get an authentic sounding pilot, i.e. Aer Lingus has an Irish accent, BA with British, Lufthansa with German, etc. And like real life the pilots will say things differently. Just listen to JFK for instance on LiveAtc.net . Don't stress it.

And the minor rules... ATC will just nudge you.

For example this is real life I'm from Vancouver Canada and fly to Seattle very regularly in the US. Well in Canada control zones/floors, etc have a shelf for instance Class B Seattle above 3000'. Well in Canada I can fly at 3000' and no issues, however in the US I was politely told to be BELOW 3000'. "Roger that"
By Martijn Rammeloo 1302622
#535634 Hi Tim,

You are always welcome in the Amsterdam FIR. We usually book and display our control 'slots' on http://www.dutchvacc.nl.

In the end, the differences between the US and proper way of doing things ( 8) ) are quite small. No need to worry about stands or gates. Over here you don't need to file a SID or STAR, but if you do: no problem. Contact GND prior to any movement on the ramp. Some small RT differences.

Next Friday, we will be (almost) fully staffed. On Saturday, I will be on ACC :-).

Enjoy Europe!

Martijn
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By Kevin Yang 923446
#535753
Tim Simpson 1339557 wrote:How tolerant are european controllers with U.S. based pilots that aren't experienced with the differences in europe ATC? I've looked at some guides online, but don't relish being denigrated for making a small mistake like calling a "stand" a "gate."

I've personally never had any issues with doing so, and I've flown a lot of places from London to Amsterdam to Prague and even Vienna.
By Torben Andersen 861112
#535759
Tim Simpson 1339557 wrote:How tolerant are european controllers with U.S. based pilots that aren't experienced with the differences in europe ATC? I've looked at some guides online, but don't relish being denigrated for making a small mistake like calling a "stand" a "gate."


You'll be more than welcome in European airspace. Naturally there are differencies, but we are all here to help each other learning new procedures, when we meet them.
Some of the challenges you might find is, that SIDs/STARs are ussually (but not always!) given by the controller, not filed by the pilot and there is a much stricter route structure to comply with than in the US (in my experience). Finding a correct routing can for some destinations be really challenging (even in Free Route Airspace), if you want to check it with Eurocontrol. The many individual states in Europe have their own little differencies, but in our enviroment it is usually easy to overcome.
If you have questions feel free to ask.

Torben Andersen,
By Daniel Katz 1267436
#535783 If planning to fly in an unfamiliar area in the near future you can connect at a gate (or stand :wink: ) taking care to stay out of the way, and tune the comms and spend some time listening to how the locals do it. It won't answer all questions regarding procedures but will definitely help.