James McMannamy Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:28 PM Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:28 PM The FAA just put out a change in the 7110.65 that makes a 'heavy' aircraft one with a MTOW of 300,000lbs (up from 255,000). Specifically, it makes ALL Boeing 757's (including the -300 series) large aircraft. It mentions that the wake turbulence separation requirements are unchanged when the B757 is the lead aircraft. What this means: No more H/B752s or H/B753s in the USA. If a B757 is the trailing aircraft, it is treated as a large aircraft for wake turbulence separation (even if it is a -300 series). If a B757 is a lead aircraft, it is treated as a B757, not a large, and not a heavy. Here is the official docomeentation from the FAA: http://www.faa.gov/docomeentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.525.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:32 PM Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:32 PM guessing one reason for the change was the new tanks on many of the B752 fleet was causing confusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McMannamy Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:38 PM Author Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:38 PM I work at C90, which, obviously, is where American Airlines has a huge hub. They had a bunch of H/B752 and a bunch of large B752s, and it caused a ton of confusion because their flight plans weren't always accurate, the pilots wouldn't call themselves "heavy" all the time, etc . . . but the real reason is because the FAA is trying to get more in-line with ICAO on everything. So this will solve the "is the B752 a heavy?" issue, but the USA now uses the same 300,000 MTOW standard as ICAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:43 PM Posted April 11, 2010 at 08:43 PM sweet thnx. have posted the info over at AvA aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McGee Posted April 12, 2010 at 02:14 PM Posted April 12, 2010 at 02:14 PM Great information Jim. Thanks for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Doubleday Posted April 14, 2010 at 02:00 PM Posted April 14, 2010 at 02:00 PM Interesting change... are there any other aircraft outside of the 757s that will be affected by this change? Jim - Didn't realize you were working at C90 now. Hope that is going well for you. Are you certed on anything yet? Say hello to Robert Dofflemyer and Aaron Barclay for me if you see them. -AJ Andrew James Doubleday | Twitch Stream: Ground_Point_Niner University of North Dakota | FAA Air Traffic Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) Graduate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McMannamy Posted April 14, 2010 at 11:46 PM Author Posted April 14, 2010 at 11:46 PM I don't think it affects any other aircraft that commonly fly in the USA. I am training on the south satellite scopes now, but I'm about to take a month off since my wife is due any day now. Once I'm checked out there, I train on O'Hare arrivals, then I'll be an FPL. Have you gotten hired anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Perry Posted April 16, 2010 at 05:44 PM Posted April 16, 2010 at 05:44 PM I believe a decade ago a heavy was >=300kips. Then they flipped it to the lower 255k, now they're flopping back to 300k. Seems like a make-work project for some overpaid bureaucrat. This might reinstate a few headaches for the few cargo operators of DC8s. I think they're right around 300k MTOW, but maybe they've been re-engined and re-cert'd. Steven Perry VATSIM Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted April 17, 2010 at 04:09 AM Posted April 17, 2010 at 04:09 AM The more things change, the more they stay the same. - Alphonse Karr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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