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I'm just wondering, the normal departure runway for heavies is 16R if I got it right. However at times, a controller issues 16L, which a bit shorter and farther = extended length of taxi time. Is this normal, to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ign heavies at 16L when you're parked from the South of 16R? Just wondering.

Romano Lara
vACC Philippines, Manager - Training & Standards
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Probably a newer tower controller thinking you go to the eastern runway for an eastbound departure.

 

You should've gotten a Kampi1 of 16R or a Richmond 2 Radar off 34L or a sydney 3.

 

Now you know for next time . 16L/34R is only used by heavies if an aircraft is broken down on 16R/34L. Theres a video on youtube somewhere of a 747 taking off on 34R but its not usual.

 

Arjun

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16L can be used for aircraft up to A330-300 size. (ie A340, A380, 777, 747, MD11 etc usually don't use it, and if they have to due to 16R being closed for incidents, then they are often severely weight restricted. - ie throw some bags out of the hold kind of thing)

 

16L is also almost never used for aircraft going to Melbourne/Canberra, but 34R is almost always used for these destinations via MARUB3.

 

 

Some noob towers get told that the 34L WOL transition is wrong for aircraft going to YMML, and then start trying to pump all domestics to that runway, which is correct with runway 34 ops, but not for 16.

 

Aircraft going overseas from the International apron are usually sent to 34L/16R with the occasional exception of 737 and A320 aircraft going to New Zealand. The usual departure for 34L/16R for internationals are as Arjun said before. KAMPI or RIC departures with the RADAR transition. SY1 is also available.

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To add to this, you will be [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned the "Sydney 3" departure if you cannot comply with the required climb gradient on the RIC2/KAMPI1 departure chart. Usually the 777's that go to LAX can make the gradient, however the 747's find it hard to meet the gradient, therefore needing the SYD3 departure.

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James White 1054550

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Don't forget that you are PIC are able to question the runway [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ignment. After all you decide what your takeoff distance will be and if the runway ain't long enough, just tell the controller and he'll usually realise his mistake.

Greg Barber

VATPAC3 - Director ATC Training & Standards

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Don't forget that you are PIC are able to question the runway [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ignment. After all you decide what your takeoff distance will be and if the runway ain't long enough, just tell the controller and he'll usually realise his mistake.

 

That's what I did.

Romano Lara
vACC Philippines, Manager - Training & Standards
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im always in a 737-400,so any runway in sydney doesnt bother me,the only runway i havent used is 25,other than that ive used all other runways. the ones i use in melbourne are 34,16,07...

 

 

Melbourne's 09 is very rare, mostly because the weather in Melbourne usually doesn't include heavy easterly winds (they'd have to blow over Gippsland plains, the Great Dividing range, and the dandenong mountain ranges before hitting Melbourne, and usually by the time that's happened, the wind has died down to calm/random directions or is more southerly than easterly. The few times it does happen it's usually a hot windy spring/autumn day. I'm not sure how often it does happen, but it is an 'event' for me, because suddenly we get takeoffs going overhead my house so I do notice it, and I'd say it happens roughly 3 maybe 4 days a year :p

 

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