Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted May 22, 2010 at 07:15 AM Posted May 22, 2010 at 07:15 AM (edited) Shalom, 1. Quote VATIL Aeronautical Info: LLBG DeparturesTo East or South TALMI2 SID preferred, Eastbound2 SID also available, 7,000 feet initially. For runway 3 or 12 departures, due to a limitation of flight below 6,000 feet up to 7NM east of the airport, DEENA2 used then vectors to TALMI, 7000 feet initially. For departures to OJAC, SALAM2 SID is used exclusively, 7,000 feet initially. Expect to cross SALAM 11,000 feet. For runway 03 or 12 departures, due to a limitation of flight below 6,000 feet up to 7NM east of the airport, DEENA2 used with following vectors to SALAM, 7,000 feet initially,expect SALAM 11,000 feet. Where can the chart for the highlighted procedure be found? 2. Quote VATIL Aeronautical Info: LLBG Departures...due to a limitation of flight below 6,000 feet up to 7NM east of the airport Comment: According to current RW LLBG info, the subject limitation applies up to BGN VOR D6, not 7NM. Edited May 22, 2010 at 04:49 PM by Guest Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom van der elst Posted May 22, 2010 at 09:42 AM Posted May 22, 2010 at 09:42 AM http://vatil.org.il/vatil/Overload/LLBG.pdf it is inthere. See page 24,I believe it is part of the socalled eastbound 2 departures which are vector based. cheers Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted May 22, 2010 at 01:22 PM Author Posted May 22, 2010 at 01:22 PM Thanks Tom. Israel AIP was revamped, current edition dated 10 April 2010 contains no Deena SID as far as I can see. Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom van der elst Posted May 22, 2010 at 09:02 PM Posted May 22, 2010 at 09:02 PM Thanks Tom.Israel AIP was revamped, current edition dated 10 April 2010 contains no Deena SID as far as I can see. yes, I have tried to find that AIP online but I didn't get very far at the Israeli AIP site. Every link was dead for me. Through google I found the linked chart. Deena SID's are coded 1x so I was and am wondering too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted May 23, 2010 at 04:33 AM Author Posted May 23, 2010 at 04:33 AM Tom, googling "israel aip", first result will take you to the online current AIP. Use the links in the center and left panes to get the subject of interest. It's also possible to order the hard copy edition and updates there. Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom van der elst Posted May 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM Posted May 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM Tom,googling "israel aip", first result will take you to the online current AIP. Use the links in the center and left panes to get the subject of interest. It's also possible to order the hard copy edition and updates there. I managed to get in this time,yesterday it didn't work for me. I'll study some more. Thanks Opher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted May 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM Posted May 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM http://info.mot.gov.il/PDF/AIP/AD/AD_2-5-26.pdf Looks like DEENA is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted May 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM Author Posted May 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM Hi Jason, DEENA fix is there but all DEENA1 SIDs were abolished recently, renamed PURLA. My OP requested a chart of DEENA2 (mentioned in the brand new VATIL site's aeronautical info). I suspect it is an error. http://info.mot.gov.il/PDF/AIP/AD/AD_2-5-26.pdfLooks like DEENA is in. Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom van der elst Posted May 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM Posted May 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM http://info.mot.gov.il/PDF/AIP/AD/AD_2-5-26.pdfLooks like DEENA is in. Deena is only part of the communication failure procedure per that chart,as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted May 24, 2010 at 04:57 AM Author Posted May 24, 2010 at 04:57 AM http://info.mot.gov.il/PDF/AIP/AD/AD_2-5-26.pdfLooks like DEENA is in. Deena is only part of the communication failure procedure per that chart,as far as I can see. Tom, 1. Deena is a fix on an airway used for international departures to the west. 2. I was referring to the SID not fix. 3. BTW the link displays an obsolete chart version, current is April 2010. Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izik Bakshi 815057 Posted May 25, 2010 at 01:16 PM Posted May 25, 2010 at 01:16 PM Subject: LLBG Departure Procedures Hi Jason, DEENA fix is there but all DEENA1 SIDs were abolished recently, renamed PURLA. My OP requested a chart of DEENA2 (mentioned in the brand new VATIL site's aeronautical info). I suspect it is an error. http://info.mot.gov.il/PDF/AIP/AD/AD_2-5-26.pdfLooks like DEENA is in. That's right, thank you mistress of the subject. I will ask the site administrator to remedy this. Izik Bakshi VATIL Online Day - Just fly! http://www.vatil.org.il/fly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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