Clarification Ref Flt.Plan remarks

[Robert Mitchell 1041949]

Want to fly on line more often, and as a newbie have a need for clarification.

Hopefully the controller I talked with last night will read this.

 

I understood , not sure from where that if you did not fly SIDS you could make that known in remarks area of the flight plan

 

Unless I misunderstood I was told that under certain agreements Pilots were required to know had to fly them and the no SIDS was not acceptable.

 

Thanks for any info.

RM 1041949

[Ernesto Alvarez 818262]

you were told rubbish. you cannot be forced to fly something you dont know how to fly or dont have it. especially if you didnt file it in the first place. if you put it in your flightplan, then yes you'd be expected to fly it since it was filed. but if you didnt file it, you cannot be forced to take one.

 

if you have the controllers name. make sure to leave feedback at theyre ARTCC. theyre training department will make sure to take care of it. i havent encountered any who havent. best to kill that behavior before it continues any further

[Ryan Geckler]

All we'd require (read: like) you to be able to do is fly a heading

[Romano Lara]

Pilots were required to know had to fly them and the no SIDS was not acceptable.

 

Like the previous posted, this is not true. Pilots have the right to decline if they are not able and ATC doesn't have the authority to FORCE a pilot to fly something he said he can't. That's absurd, or probably 'dumb' by the controller that cannot understand a simple English "unable". Unable is pretty much self explanatory, yes? I can recall my experience, departing from an airfield which I do not wish to name, then here comes the tower controller, sent me a Contact Me.. and told me that I cannot depart the airport unless I file and fly an RNAV departure, which I simply stated I cannot because I do not have the equipment (heck, I was flying a 152!). So he did not issued my clearance. Oh well, **** happens, I just took it offline and connect when I was clear of his dictatorial airspace.

 

best to kill that behavior before it continues any further

 

+1!

 

We've been seeing a lot of this lately. I think it's a matter of attitude and maturity of the controller, and other controllers who perform alike. I do not blame the mentor and instructors who gave them their rating, but probably they would need a better explanation of the system and limitation that exist here in VATSIM. As for the attitude, some controllers tend to perform like lambs with their instructor/mentor, but once they are solo, they work beyond their limitations and push the things to "ultra-realistic" that results to a scenario like this. Making the airspace their virtual kingdom and become its Air Traffic Dictator.

 

The thing is, most of these guys are the newer members. Hence the need for a better and wider explanation of the limitation that exist. Otherwise, we're gonna be seeing a lot of this attitude tomorrow and in the future.

 

Oh! And if you're planning to drop by Manila or Honolulu, you can always fly anything, as long as you can maintain an altitude and track a heading. You should be good to go.

[Jason Baxter 920557]

"ultra-realistic"

It's not that they are pushing for ultra-realism, rather they have a very strict, underinformed view of the system. As far as reality goes I haven't been in/witnessed/heard of a situation where a controller would refuse an ifr clearance on the basis of the pilot rejecting a SID clearly not able to be flown.

[Ernesto Alvarez 818262]

also if you havent already, in the future, i recommend you take screenshots of the messages sent to you, if it was on text. makes it less likely for the member to be able to turn around and say you simply misunderstood. ive seen that one several times. screenshots provide the staff with an exact word for word copy, theyll know what to do with it

 

Romano, i tend to disagree a little. ultimately, this all falls back onto the laps of the instructors and mentors. whats normally the first thing anyone asks when they run into something like this, "who trained this guy?". so you can bet if it were my student, i'd be pretty PO'd, cause not only are they making themselves look bad, but also theyre mentor/instructor. some of this behavior actually gets p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ed down from the very folks who are training. its true training staff are held to higher standards, but these things tend to slip through every now and then. it would not be the first time i see an INS rated controller do the exact same thing. makes ya wonder what the guys below that controller are learning doesnt it? for those, if the ARTCC doesnt fix that, youll need to go higher in the chain and contact the VATUSA regional directors.

[Robert Mitchell 1041949]

Thanks to all for your comments.

 

Bob M 1041949

[David Saunders 818672]

Or

 

Learn to fly a SID, problem solved

[Robert Mitchell 1041949]

Being able to fly a Sid is not the problem. The problem is getting the wrong information.

[David Saunders 818672]

Get a chart, another problem solved,

 

 

charts these days are availible somewhere on the web

[Ernesto Alvarez 818262]

think youre missin the point David, he means getting the wrong/misleading info from the controller just cause apparently said controller wanted to have it his way, so threw in a little misinformation to do so