LQSB to start operations in March 2011

[Armin Prljaca 1081671]

Hello everybody,

 

I am member of VACCBiH and there has been a lot of discussion on LQSB airspace over years. I personally know most of BHDCA (Bosnia&Herzegovina Directory of Civil Aviation) staff and they told me that final preparations are taking place in order to take over control of LQSA airspace in march 2011.

 

Vazdušni saobraćaj u BiH: Kontrola neba od 2011. godine

 

24SI - Zamjenik generalnog direktora Direkcije za civilno vazduhoplovstvo BiH Marinko Šimunović rekao je da bi zbog problema u dogovorima o načinu preuzimanja kontrole neba, sistem za upravljanje vazdušnim prostorom nad nebom BiH mogao bi da krene sa radom početkom 2011. godine.

On je dodao da bi provjera na lokaciji mogla da počne u oktobru, poslije čega bi uslijedila obuka jer, kako je naveo, BiH nema osposobljene kontrolore.

 

"Nezahvalno je davati prognoze jer time sebi pravimo probleme, dok se samozvani eksperti i ljudi koji ne učestvuju u ovom projektu nalaze pozvani da kritikuju ono što radimo", rekao je Šimunović za "Glas Srpske" komentarišući nedavne kritike zbog nepreuzimanja kontrole vazdušnog prostora što, kažu, pričinjava direktnu štetu za BiH od oko 40 miliona KM.

 

Šimunović je naglasio da je jedan od problema i neusaglašenost u vezi sa sistemom za preuzimanje kontrole vazdušnog prostora od Srbije i Hrvatske.

 

"Proces mora biti usaglašen sa svim zemljama u okruženju, međutim, oni nisu voljni da rade našom dinamikom", istakao je Šimunović.

 

Ekspert za kontrolu vazdušnog saobraćaja Nedžad Tinjak podsjetio je da je Savjet ministara BiH usvojio Strategiju razvoja sistema za upravljanje vazdušnim prostorom 2005. godine, sa rokom sprovođenja do kraja 2007. godine, ali da je taj rok iz kako je rekao neopravdanih razloga promijenjen u više navrata.

 

On smatra da u BiH postoji stručni kadar koji bi mogao odmah da preuzme vazdušni prostor BiH.

 

BiH je početkom 2005. godine zbog nepostojanja sistema za upravljanje vazdušnim saobraćajem, kontrolu neba iznad tri hiljade do 14.000 metara prepustila Srbiji i Hrvatskoj, što joj godišnje pričinjava direktnu štetu od 40 miliona KM.

 

Kontrolu istočnog gornjeg vazdušnog prostora obavlja Agencija za kontrolu letenja Srbije, a zapadni gornji i kompletan donji dio vazdušnog prostora BiH kontroliše Hrvatska kontrola vazdušnog saobraćaja.

 

 

You can translate full text via Google translate if you want. To make long story short, Serbs and Croats are not happy with this decision and thats why deadline has been moved several times. But as new equipment was installed and new controllers were trained, most probably LQSB airspace will start to control on March 1st.

 

So what do you think? Can VATSIM allow LQSB_CTR to start controlling on March 1st?

[Daniel Eamon Brennan]

 

In all seriousness, this would need to go to VATEUR and possibly BoG level as that particular area remains one of "politcal sensitivity" - however, it's an ATC position, and if people get upset over that, then they seriously need to relax and take their foot off of the gas.

[Armin Prljaca 1081671]

There has been a genocide here and innocent people suffer everyday. Fact is people hate us because of our religion. Not to go into deeper discussion when new project shows up everybody is pessimistic - and I understand that. Because many other failed when Croats&Serbs put their hands into it. But I am optimistic about this new date since we meet all criteria and EURO-CONTROL is in charge

[Christopher Mauro]

For anyone that wanted it translated...

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Air traffic at BH: Control of the sky from 2011. The

 

24SI - Deputy Director General Directorate of Civil Aviation Marinko Simunovic said that because of the problems in negotiations on a way of taking control of the sky, a system for managing the air space over the skies of Bosnia and Herzegovina could start operating in early 2011. year.

He added that checks on the site could begin in October, after which followed the training because, as he said, BiH has trained examiners.

 

"It is ungrateful to make predictions because the real issues by itself, while the self-styled experts and people who do not participate in this project are invited to criticize what we do," said Simunovic for "Serbian Voice," commenting on the recent criticism over disclaimed control of airspace, which, say, aggravates the direct damage to BiH of around 40 million.

 

Simunovic said that one of the problems and conflict in relation to the system to take control of air space of Serbia and Croatia.

 

"The process must comply with all countries in the region, however, they are not willing to work with our schedule," said Simunovic.

 

Expert in air traffic control Nedžad Tinjak reminded that the Council of Ministers adopted a Strategy for the Development of the airspace control 2005th year, with the term implementation to the end of 2007. year, but that the time limit referred to what he unreasonably changed several times.

 

He believes that BiH has professional staff that could immediately take over the airspace of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

 

Bosnia and Herzegovina in early 2005. year due to lack of systems for air traffic control sky over three thousand to 14,000 meters ceded to Serbia and Croatia, which aggravates her annual direct damage of 40 million.

 

Control of the eastern upper airspace performs Flight Control Agency of Serbia, and the western upper and lower part of the entire airspace of Bosnia and Herzegovina Croatia controlled by air traffic control.

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[Thomas George 827476]

Politically-Sensitive Areas are a divisional matter. VATEUD has no intention of any such changes to airspace in the Former Yugoslav countries. In short, don't get irate, things aren't necessarily about to change.

[Ivan Kovacevic 920456]

Armin,

 

As far as I know - the decision has been made (and will remain in effect) that UNTIL it's done in real life, it won't be done on VATSIM.

 

None of the involved organizations (VATEUD, SCGvACC or CROvACC) have any intention of imposing restrictions or implementing procedures that do not follow the real life procedures, unless the technical limitation of the simulator or controller software demand it.

[Mirza Ibrahimovic]

We have had similar discussions earlier, and it is very simple: When it becomes active in RL, it will get active on VATSIM, untill then, we will enjoy the service by Zagreb and Belgrade, and if we want CTR so much, we can get a CTR rating and work as visiting ATCos in Belgrade and/or Zagreb til Sarajevo opens. So, it will all be fineIi think, just wait till our dear politicans and other involved get moved and get it realised with not so much delay as all other things in the region

 

So, till it gets active, climb up and get CTR ratings to be ready for the B-day

[Armin Prljaca 1081671]

First of all, I didn't want to put pressure on VATSIM to let LQSB_CTR to start controlling. I only wanted to share my opinions with you about 1st march as launch date. Thanks everyone for replay.

 

@ Mirza, yes that is exactly what I have been thinking of We can control at LDZO or LYBA when we get higher ratings.

[Peter Ingerslev Nielsen]

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@ Mirza, yes that is exactly what I have been thinking of We can control at LDZO or LYBA when we get higher ratings.

 

Exactly!

[Mirza Ibrahimovic]

Peter, Thomas, just to be sure in this matter, when LQSB_CTR gets active in RL, will it without unnecessary delay be allowed on VATSIM, or is there a risk of that it will not?

 

Ivan allmost answered it, but I would like to know your opinion on it, seen in the broad VATSIM/VATEUD matter.

 

I am allmost sure, that no one in SCGvSCC and CROvACC mind to have LQSB_CTR parallel to LYBA_CTR and LDZO_CTR, when it gets active in RL - as they too want to practice RL ops, as now, also when LQSB_CTR gets on.

 

And many pilots are often asking why we don't ask VATSIM to get CTR, so we have to explain the RL config.

 

So, as Ivan says, it will only depend on the human and software limitations, e.g. lack of ATCos/rating etc.

 

 

I am asking, because of 2 reasons:

 

- we will maybe soon get time for CTR training (via CROvACC and SCGvACC), so it could be great if we as soon as LQSB_CTR gets active in RL, can get the position up and running, training on the position, with co operation from CROvACC TD as till now.

 

- this also due to the case, that we are few active ATCos, so when on CTR, we would really need to be able to control lower BiH airspace/airports (smth. not possible now by LDZO_CTR/LYBA_CTR). This will be possible with LQSB_CTR, as for instance LDZO_CTR can control lower airspace/airports in native Croatia and same with LYBA_CTR in Serbia and Montenegro.

 

 

We really hope that you understand and are supporting us equal as all other vACCs and this matter, we really try to get the best for this community - out of the few resources (active ATCs etc.) that we have

 

Btw., for now, I couldn't find any updates on RL situation, and it is march, probably postponing it again...

 

Till writing,

 

Best regards,

[Thomas George 827476]

Mirza,

 

Any politically-sensitive changes that are proposed will need to be tabled to VATEUD1 and VATEUD2 who would probably involve the region also. When a proposal is made, we will look at the proposal and see whether it is suitable for VATSIM. In doing so, we will involve the main stakeholders and try to ensure that the changes won't cause huge problems but until Peter and I get a proposal, I can't comment any more specifically on the matter.

 

Regards,

[Mirza Ibrahimovic]

Thanks Thomas,

 

we just hope to be allowed to simulate RL conditions, when that gets in order. We feel the support from the current CTR-vACCs, so there shouldn't be any local problems, we are all into RL ops.

 

Lets wait for the RL situation, all ready taking over 10 years, so maybe it will not be in your time anyway

[Thomas George 827476]

OK, we await the proposal via email.

[Mirza Ibrahimovic]

Thanks Thomas, you will hear from us after the next meeting