Fritz Gohl 1119815 Posted July 9, 2011 at 02:48 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 02:48 PM tracks from San Jose FNO This one ^^^ looks like a button was pushed, too uniform I need practice ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charan Kumar Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:09 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:09 PM as long as you stayed at one altitude, which IIRC was the case here, we can manage, but it does make for an interesting pattern, thx for sharing!! When is your next Flight||VATSIM HitSquad Member, ZOA/ZAK/GANDER/P1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Burgoyne 810747 Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:18 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:18 PM Keep in mind the update rate of Vataware doesn't allow tracks to show exactly what you're doing. Examples: Me screwing around with a Conquest II before I decide to retire it http://www.vataware.com/flight.cfm?id=7974590 In the flight analysis those were perfect ovals, for the most part, plus a deviation for an inbound IFR who of course had to land downwind against me. lol Believe it or not, I did a 45/180 procedure turn on this one http://www.vataware.com/flight.cfm?id=7946326 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Burgoyne 810747 Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:23 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 05:23 PM :D as long as you stayed at one altitude, which IIRC was the case here, we can manage, but it does make for an interesting pattern, thx for sharing!! I didn't feel like flying last night, so I observed at SJC for a bit. You guys did a great job. I think the Loupe departure must be one of the most busted by pilots on Vatsim now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cox 1122818 Posted July 9, 2011 at 07:17 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 07:17 PM (edited) I didn't feel like flying last night, so I observed at SJC for a bit. You guys did a great job. I think the Loupe departure must be one of the most busted by pilots on Vatsim now. Thanks for the kind words! I think the overwhelming majority of pilots enjoyed that event, and we are all glad it was a success. The LOUPE1 departure is a very complicated procedure, requiring a turn about 2 miles out just like the SJC9 (the main southbound departure) but ultimately the controller has to vector the plane northbound, direct to SJC. This departure procedure also has a 5000' restriction to keep clear of overlying SFO arrivals. I have seen few pilots fly the LOUPE1 exactly as charted, though most make a good effort and do it relatively well. The most common mistakes are not maintaining 5000, flying too far out before starting the turn (causing them to bust into another approach sector's airspace), and not turning at all, which can be hazardous to the SFO and OAK arrival streams. It is tricky to fly, but it is crucial that pilots can fly the departure properly, otherwise conflicts start popping up, especially if traffic into SFO is busy as well. Edited July 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM by Guest Jonathan Cox 1122818 | C1 Oakland ARTCC Events Coordinator, Mentor Anchorage ARTCC Visiting Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted July 9, 2011 at 07:39 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 07:39 PM Forgive me for being naive but it's just one turn, I wouldn't file that under complicated their are plenty of toughies at SFO and nearby airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cox 1122818 Posted July 9, 2011 at 08:19 PM Posted July 9, 2011 at 08:19 PM It's not so much the turn itself, but you have to be sure to start the turn on time or you can potentially bust another norcal sector which works SFO/OAK arrivals, and you also have to be sure to comply with the 5000' crossing restriction of that radial, and the 12000' minimum over the SJC VOR. It's complicated in the sense of timing and altitudes. You'd be surprised how many pilots don't follow those instructions. Although I do agree, there are some DPs out of nearby airports that are trickier. Jonathan Cox 1122818 | C1 Oakland ARTCC Events Coordinator, Mentor Anchorage ARTCC Visiting Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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