Opinion on PC

[Alexander Orsino 1197452]

Hello, Right now my PC doesn't really work with FSX (don't even ask to fix, Uncle is computer whizz and he can't figure it out) I was wondering, would THIS COMPUTER WORK WITH FSX? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6602239&CatId=6#. THANKS!

[Anthony Pavlak 1058071]

Not well.

[Erhan Atesoglu 1050499]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=713130&CatId=2628

 

This system is a little newer. You'll need a DirectX 9 Capable GPU as well.

[Alexander Orsino 1197452]

Alright. I have a Old computer i will try (probably woln't work though) Do you guys know any NAME BRAND computers that will run FSX well UNDER 200?

[Brad Littlejohn]

Alright. I have a Old computer i will try (probably woln't work though) Do you guys know any NAME BRAND computers that will run FSX well UNDER 200?

 

For under 200? I would say no.. most of that price is in buying the name in the name brand alone!

 

If you went with something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.722603&cm_sp=DIY_PC_Combos-_-722603-_-Combo

 

use your current monitor, and add in a somewhat futureproof video card:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

 

And you'd still be looking at around $390USD, and that's being REALLY cheap. If you want a name brand attached to it, you're going to be paying more because of it being the name brand, then going also with them for the support. For example, the cheapest Dell costs $200 more before any rebates. At that point, you're better off saving some of that money and building your own..

 

BL.

[Ryan Butterworth 1037842]

If you're buying from scratch you need to put about $1000 into an FSX computer (bare minimum) to run it "well."

 

You want something along these lines:

 

i5 2500K overclocked with aftermarket cooler (Corsair H70/80/100 or Noctua DH14)

Z68 motherboard

4GB ram, cas 7-8-7-24 should be fine (I'd get 8GB personally)

GTX 560ti at a minimum (don't go ATI/AMD)

Decent PSU, don't get cheap either, go with Seasonic or Corsair TXv2/AX 750w or so...

 

Plus all the peripherals, OS, etc etc - it will add up fast.

[Alexander Orsino 1197452]

No, I am not buying from scratch. LOL. I will have my computer guy come and take a look at both of my computers and hopefully he will be able to fix it.

[Brad Littlejohn]

If you're buying from scratch you need to put about $1000 into an FSX computer (bare minimum) to run it "well."

 

You want something along these lines:

 

i5 2500K overclocked with aftermarket cooler (Corsair H70/80/100 or Noctua DH14)

Z68 motherboard

4GB ram, cas 7-8-7-24 should be fine (I'd get 8GB personally)

GTX 560ti at a minimum (don't go ATI/AMD)

Decent PSU, don't get cheap either, go with Seasonic or Corsair TXv2/AX 750w or so...

 

Plus all the peripherals, OS, etc etc - it will add up fast.

 

To each his own on the video card. I honestly can't recommend any Fermi-based card to anyone, especially after being personally bit by the symptoms in a near 100-page thread about Fermi's issues on the NVidia forums. My GTX460 tanked 31 days after I bought it, putting me out of the return policy. RMAs were getting back other RMA'ed cards, and now, a year on, still no solution.

 

After switching to an ATI/AMD RadeonHD 6950, I've been rock solid. the GTX560 has the same problems as the 400 series cards.. not worth it.. BTW.. I've put no more than $600 into my box, and while it isn't as fast as the fastest Sandy Bridge processor, I'm still getting smooth performance and at times, over 200fps with FS9. I'd suspect I'd get around 60 - 80fps with FSX.

 

BL.

[Erhan Atesoglu 1050499]

Still no solution on that eh? Kind of miss the good old days when GPU vendors would actually make their own cards..

[Alexander Orsino 1197452]

What ABOUT THIS, FOR FSX

[Ryan Butterworth 1037842]

 

To each his own on the video card...

BL.

 

The three coworkers that I suggested to go with nvidia went the AMD route and now have shitty perf in clouds.... that's why you want nvidia in fsx. Play other games? No doubt AMD is usually the best bet.

[Brad Littlejohn]

 

To each his own on the video card...

BL.

 

The three coworkers that I suggested to go with nvidia went the AMD route and now have [Mod-You kiss your mother with that mouth?] perf in clouds.... that's why you want nvidia in fsx. Play other games? No doubt AMD is usually the best bet.

 

That may be so, but you may want to have a WORKING NVidia card first, before even getting to FSX. Judging by the now 100-page thread on the NVidia website, and the numerous ones I've seen on the EVGA, PNY, and Guru3D sites, not many people are having luck with it, if it didn't crash at POST first. After that, BSOD, BSOD (black), Black screen with cursor, or nothing at all, forcing a hard reboot. Personally, I'm getting nearly 200fps (yes, 200fps) with FS9 with my Sapphire RadeonHD 6950.

 

Keep in mind, when it worked, my EVGA GTX460 worked well. Too bad they (EVGA, NVidia, & Microsoft) couldn't keep it working.

 

BL.

[Darrol Larrok 1140797]

Don't worry about brand names, the big brands aren't very good.

 

To build it yourself, you could build a decent one around 800, but below 200 isn't going to work out.

[Erhan Atesoglu 1050499]

 

To each his own on the video card...

BL.

 

screen with cursor, or nothing at all, forcing a hard reboot. Personally, I'm getting nearly 200fps (yes, 200fps) with FS9 with my Sapphire RadeonHD 6950.

 

Keep in mind, when it worked, my EVGA GTX460 worked well. Too bad they (EVGA, NVidia, & Microsoft) couldn't keep it working.

 

BL.

 

It's EVGA fault, Nvidia and Microsoft have nothing to do with your card. That's why it's best to choose Asus.. they are the leaders in the industry for a reason, and well worth the 10-20 extra dollars they ask for. At least you can be certain it's reference because they're probably the ones that made the original board to begin with. EVGA is better than most, but still it's only a brand not a manufacturer like Asus.

[Brad Littlejohn]

screen with cursor, or nothing at all, forcing a hard reboot. Personally, I'm getting nearly 200fps (yes, 200fps) with FS9 with my Sapphire RadeonHD 6950.

 

Keep in mind, when it worked, my EVGA GTX460 worked well. Too bad they (EVGA, NVidia, & Microsoft) couldn't keep it working.

 

BL.

 

It's EVGA fault, Nvidia and Microsoft have nothing to do with your card. That's why it's best to choose Asus.. they are the leaders in the industry for a reason, and well worth the 10-20 extra dollars they ask for. At least you can be certain it's reference because they're probably the ones that made the original board to begin with. EVGA is better than most, but still it's only a brand not a manufacturer like Asus.

 

Hate to break it to you, but it isn't EVGA's fault. From page 1 of that 100-page thread at the Nvidia forums:

 

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=187401

 

Club members or List of boards with known issues, username/board/card:

Current number of users listed reporting issues: 112

 

UPDATE 4/28/11

 

Seeing as we couldn't find a common ground for all these cards locking up, or a completely safe mainboard I've stopped updating the list. I still really appreciate everyone sending in information about their systems. It has helped all of us tremendously in troubleshooting all of this. The list surely helped Nvidia start taking recondition of there even being a very real problem. The list in my eyes has already served it's purpose and then some.

 

User: Motherboard/video card

 

3sheets: MSI X58 Pro-E Intel X58/EVDA GTX460's SLI'd

ajs-cfg: EVGA X58 SLI LE/2x EVGA GTX470 SLI'd

Andy_123: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R/Gigabyte GTS-450 1MB

Awdm: MSI K9A2VM-FD/Gainward GTX 460 1GB GS

Barnstormer: Asus P6T/EVGA GeForce 470 GX

Bayzombie: ASUS P6X58D Premium/Evga GeForce GTX480 Superclocked

BestPCInfo.pl: MSI P55-GD85/TwinTech Geforce GTX465

bensimon: Asus P7P55D-E/EVGA GTX 460 768Mb

bk6: Gigabyte X58A-UDR3/Gigabyte 460 1GB

bk6: Gigabyte X58A-UDR3/MSI 460 1GB

Blobasaurus: ASUS M4A785-M/EVGA Geforce GTX 460 SE 1GB

bloefield: Asus P6T Deluxe/MSI Talon Attack 460

BrendanCysewski: Asus P6T Deluxe V2GTX/EVGA 470 and 480 and a GTX 580 (all locked up)

Buster_Dee: EVGA 790i Ultra SLI/PNY 480 GTX

Bydyn: ECS Black A790GXM-A/EVGA GTX 470

c0d3ster: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro/EVGA GeForce GTX460 768MB DDR5

carlo_0000: M2N SLI-DELUXE/club3d gtx 460

cB.Fireball: ASUS P6T Deluxe (V1) w/ Intel X58 Chipset/Gainward GTX 460 1 GB

colets: MSI Eclipse SLI/Gigabyte GTX 470 SOC (GV-N470SO-13I) (modified video cards BIOS with NIBITOR and was stable afterward)

Copyright: EVGA 780i/Video Card: Zotac gtx 480 (ZT-40101-10P) BIOS Version: 70.0.21.0.2

CowboyTony: Gigabyte GA-MA790x-UD3P/Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Super Overclock 1GB DDR5(GV-N460SO-1GI)

CRS_2: Asus P7P55D/Asus ENGTX470

D4rKr0W: Asus P5Q/Gainward GTX 460 768mb

D4rKr0W: Asrock X58 Extreme3/Gainward GTX 460 768mb

dark_heaven: Asus P7H57D-V EVO/KFA GTX460 SOC

DaVillen: Asus P5N-D SLI/ASUS GTX 480

dayrinni: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R/EVGA 470 GTX

DeathSlasher: Asus M4A78-EM/1394/Galaxy GTX 460 1GB GC

Dervious: Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD3P/Gigabyte GTX460 OC 1GB

deserttears: MSI P55-GD55/Gigabyte Geforce GTX460 768MB

digbee: Asus P6t/EVGA GTX 470

dr_AllCOM3: Gigabyte MA770-UD3/Gainward GTX470

DrDrake: Asus P6T Deluxe v2/Gainward GTX480

Dr Nick: ASUS P6T/EVGA GTX 480 SC

dwayner: Abit Aw9D-MAX/ZOTAC GTX470

Eruldan: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7/Asus ENGTX480

Emir_S: Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3/Gigabyte GTX-460 768 MB

exale: Asus P5Q-E/Zotac GTX 470

feridek: ASUS P7P55D Pro/Gigabyte GTX 470

firehot: Asus Striker Extreme/Asus 470

FPK: Asus P5N-E SLI/Gainward GTX 460 2 GB

FPK: Asus P5QD Turbo/Gainward GTX 460 2 GB

gasparmx: MSI AMD 890GX/ECS NVIDIA 470 GTX

gecko1001: ECS GF8100VM-M5/Palit GTX 460 768mb

Genetic_Drifter: Asus M3a-h HDMI/MSI Cyclone 460gtx 768D5

germaj: ASUS P6TD Deluxe/Galaxy GTX 460 1024MB

ghling: ASRock 870 Extreme3/gtx 460

handbanana: ASUS M4A89 GTD/MSI GTX 470

Hadesg: Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3/Gigabyte GTX470

Happy25: Asus 7p55d/Gainward GTX 460

Happy25: MSI Platinum P965/Gainward GTX 460

HarryMason: Intel (Love Valley P) P965 Viiv Motherboard R0/Palit GeForce GTX 460 Sonic 2GB

howardt: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R/2 EVGA 460's SLI'd

Hyakitaki: ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe/EVGA GTX 470

lmaonade80: Gigabyte P55 USB3/Nvidia 465

jandrin: Gigabyte ud5-x58a/2 Gigabyte GTX 460oc 1gb SLI'd

JASHINHUNTER: Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe/EVGA GeForce GTX 460 1024MB 01G-P3-1370

Kackarot00: ASUS P7P55D-E/460gtx (need model)

Kanta: ASRock A785GXH128M/Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 OC Ultra series,1GB GDDR5 (GV-N460OC-1GI) (need model)

Knut_Stanley: Asus M4A88TD-M/Gainward geforce GTX 460 768 MB

Krisiun: ASUS P6X58D-E/PoV GTX 480

KRISS: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro/EVGA GTX 470

Kumite23: ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/Gigabyte GV-N460DS-768I-B

m84: ASUS P5B/Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB OC

maraiel: ASUS P6T/Evga gtx 460

_Mas_: Asus Rampage III Extreme/Asus GTX 480

Masiril85: GA-MA790X-UD4P/MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II

Master_of_Desaster: GA-870A-UD3/Inno3D GTX 470

Megalopsy: Asus Rampage 2 extreme/Galaxy Nvidia480

mikeyzeeee: Asus M3A32-MVP DELUXE/EVGA GTX 460 SC 1gb

mitnite2011: ASUS 780G/EVGA GTX460 1GB SC

mitnite2011: ASUS 785-M/EVGA GTX460 1GB SC

mitnite2011: P35 Shuttle Board/EVGA GTX460 1GB SC

Mix-Master: Gigabyte X58a UD3R/Gigabyte GTX 470 SLI (GV-N470UD-13I)

MMilad: Gigabyte GA X58 UD3R/evga GTX 460 1GB

mopeypilgrim: EVGA X58/EVGA 470 Fermi

MyusernameisME: MSI NF980-G65/Gigabyte GTX 480

nimanouri: Gigabyte X58-UD5/2 x GTX480 SLI'd

nimanouri: Gigabyte X58-UD5/2 x GTX480 SLI'd (need card models)

noobubu: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Socket AM3/Palit XpertVision GeForce GTX 460 Sonic Platinum 1GB

noobubu: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 Socket AM3/Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Super Overclock 1GB DDR5

Nwik: Asus P5W DH Deluxe/EVGA GTX 460 (with default BIOS settings)

OCY: ASUS P7P55 LX/Galaxy GTX460 1GB DDR5

opiwan: ASUS P6T/EVGA GeForce GTX 480

Overij: ASUS P5QL/ASUS Geforce GTX 460 768MB

overrandom: ASUS p6x58d-Premium/MSI NVidia GTX 480

Oxidation: Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3/Gigabyte GTS 450(GV-N450C-1G1)

pirAa: Asrock AM3 890GX/Gigabyte Geforce GTX 460 1GB

pisoY: Asus Rampage III Extreme/ 2 MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II SLI'd

pensuke89: ASUS P5N-D SLI/MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX460 Cyclone 1GB/OC

rdkill: ASUS PT6/PNY 480

Rdouglas_1: GA-MA770T-UD3P/PnY 470

Sagaballa: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula/Gainward GeForce GTX 470

Shinjari: EVGA 680i SE 122-CK-NF63-TR/EVGA 768mb SC Model:768-P3-1362-AR

Snoopy782: Gigabyte x58 ud5/Gigabyte gtx460 1gb oc edition in Sli

Solar804: Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 (rev1.0)/Gigabyte GV-N460OC-1GI

source_91: Asus IPIBL-LB/Gigabyte 460 1GB

tayyeb555: ASUS M2N-VM DVI/Zotac Geforce 460 1GB

Tazim: ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 / Gainward GTX 460 768mb

TDoyon: ASUS P6X58D-E/EVGA GTX 460

Teiresias: Gigabyte P55A-UD4P/Gigabyte GTX 460

Tekadan: ASUS M4N82 Deluxe/ASUS 465 GTX 1GB

thebizkid: MSI BIG BANG XPOWER X58/MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II

the_prefect: MSI 785GTM-E45/Inno3d GTX460 OC (768MB variant)

thewoozle: Gygabyte MA790x/Gigabyte GTX470

tinhv: EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 SLI3/EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5

Tithelix: ASUS P7P55D/Gigabyte GTX 460 1Go OC Edition

trev1976: Asus P5Q-EM/MSI GTX460 Hawk

unleashthepwnies: Asus P6T/Galaxy KFA2 GTX470

vahidpooyan: Asus Rampage II Extreme/3 EVGA GTX 480 SC SLI'd (3-way)

vector-1: DFI P55 MI-T36/gtx480

vector-1: Asus p7p55d/gtx480

vector-1: Asus M4A79 Deluxe/gtx480

vector-1: crosshair iv formula/gtx460 (need model)

Veeshush: ASUS M4A77D/MSI N480GTX Twin Frozr II

Veeshush: ASUS M2N32 SLI-DELUXE/MSI N480GTX Twin Frozr II

Veeshush: ASUS M2N SLI-DELUXE/EVGA 768-P3-1362-TR GeForce GTX 460 (yet I get DCP spikes with this combination)

Veeshush: MSI K9N6PGM2-V2/MSI N480GTX Twin Frozr II (when it does work I found it only runs when the PCI-E16x slot is set at 2x.)

vumeister: ASUS P5Q Deluxe/ASUS ENGTX470

werty316: Gigabyte MA790X-UD4P/Gigabyte GV-N460OC-768I

w00ps: Asus P7P55D-Deluxe (bios 1901)/Colorful 465 GTX 1GB

WolfSoul: (adding system soon)

Xen81: Asus P5N-D Nforce 750i/Zotac 460GTX Synergy

YCH: Asus Rampage III Extreme/GTX480

YCH: Asus P5K Deluxe/GTX480 (need model)

Yozo: MSI K9A2 CF/Palit GTX460 768mb

ZenS: Asus P7P55D-E Premium / Gigabyte GTS450 OC 1G

 

ASUS cards are affected as well. It's ASUS' fault as well. It's Gigabyte's fault as well. it's *every* Fermi-based video card. And it's been a full year and then some without any solution. with that, I really can not recommend any Fermi-based video card to anyone.

 

By comparison, my 4 year old EVGA 8800GT, also an NVidia card and while showing its age, still works. Simply put, Fermi-based cards are not reliable.

 

BL.

[Richard Gerrish]

+1

[Erhan Atesoglu 1050499]

Brad: They produce 10 of millions of GPUs year. In a good year say 10,000 are defective. It's up to EVGA to replace that part! That's it. Nvidia and ATI both got out of the warranty business a long time ago and stopped dealing with consumers for a reason. That's why your thread has gotten no where, because it's not Nvidia's problem nor will if ever be. And as far as Microsoft being involved, they are a 3rd party to this, and really so is Nvidia. So to say all Nvidia chips are bad when they sell millions a year and the fact that ATI both use the same manufacturer in Taiwan (TSMC).... how can you ever say one is better than the other, when they're physically made by the same company?

 

My ATI 2600 burnt out twice. Twice I got a replacement. But to this date it's ATI's color and terrible rendering I worry about, not faulty chips.

[Brad Littlejohn]

Brad: They produce 10 of millions of GPUs year. In a good year say 10,000 are defective. It's up to EVGA to replace that part! That's it. Nvidia and ATI both got out of the warranty business a long time ago and stopped dealing with consumers for a reason. That's why your thread has gotten no where, because it's not Nvidia's problem nor will if ever be. And as far as Microsoft being involved, they are a 3rd party to this, and really so is Nvidia. So to say all Nvidia chips are bad when they sell millions a year and the fact that ATI both use the same manufacturer in Taiwan (TSMC).... how can you ever say one is better than the other, when they're physically made by the same company?

 

My ATI 2600 burnt out twice. Twice I got a replacement. But to this date it's ATI's color and terrible rendering I worry about, not faulty chips.

 

And if you read the thread, you'd notice that the responses the users were getting back from the vendors were blaming either the motherboard. The motherboard makers were blaming the GPU and the chipset, both of which came from specs from NVidia. Even the reference card directly from NVidia failed! I know that for a fact, because I actually met the guys supporting the forum, who exchanged my GTX460 for their reference card (after 4 vendor RMAs), which also failed in my setup. (in my case, it helps that a lot of people working for Nvidia in the Bay area live in Sacramento.) And to top that off, the people who were RMA'ing their cards were getting back other RMA'ed cards.

 

So if NVidia's own card failed, with the same chipset, how could any of the other makers' cards work, based on the same chipset? Either way, regardless of the number of cards they make, it doesn't make for good press, word of mouth or otherwise, if their product doesn't work.

 

Personally, I don't care if it gets fixed anymore. I told NVidia to keep my card for reference if they want to test a 3rd configuration with someone else's card. I cut my losses in waiting for them to fix it, and bought the RadeonHD 6950. That card working out of the box, while waiting a year for a near working solution with NVidia speaks volumes. Like I said, YMMV and to each his own, but I personally can not recommend a Fermi-based card to anyone.

 

BL.