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HELP - SID/STAR format in .ese


Aaron Schpitzer 1174936
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Aaron Schpitzer 1174936
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I'm the FE in the CZYZ FIR, I'm working on our sectorfiles and we have tons of new RNAV DP's. I defined the names "procedure.transition", but this doesn't work because we have multiple SID's that go to the same transition, one for props and one for jets. Euroscope is defaulting to the one higher up, so in the example below it will default to the BOMIT1.BERIK instead because it is higher up, it shows right in the fp, but in the departure list it shows the wrong one and same when you plot the route.

 

SID:CYYZ:05:VERDO1.BERIK:VERDO1 BERUT VERDO AGNOB BERIK

 

HELP PLZ

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Sebastien Bartosz
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SID:CYYZ:05:VERDO1.BERIK:VERDO1 BERUT VERDO AGNOB BERIK

 

I am no ese file expert...but at first glance, first of all you may not want to put the 1 in : SID:CYYZ:05:VERDO1.BERIK:VERDO1 BERUT VERDO AGNOB BERIK

Because VERDO1 is not a waypoint.

 

I'm also not sure is ES supports the procedure.transition either

 

But what kind of routing is VERDO BERUT VERDO AGNOB BERIK ?

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Aaron Schpitzer 1174936
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It's just a format that we use in Canada that serves absolutely no purpose, since VERDO1 isn't a waypoint euroscope just skipps over it. I don't know why we do it like this, but I've tryed removing it and no luck.

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Kirk Christie
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It does support procedure transition, we use it in Australia, if my memory serves me right, you don put the dot in also make sure you delete every thing up to the first way point that is also the last waypoint of the SID.

 

Example on this route for Australia

SY H65 RAZZI Q29 ML

 

Would become

DEENA4WOL/16R WOL H65 RAZZI Q29 LIZZI5A/16I

 

 

DEENA4WOL/16R

SID for DEENA 4 with Wollongong (wol) transition off 16R

 

LIZZI5A/16I

STAR for LIZZI 5 A (A=ILS transition) runway 16 I (I defines ins approach)

 

However the I and V after the runway I think only relates to our TAAATS mod, but I'm sure you could define that in the sector file.

Kirk Christie - VATPAC C3

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Aaron Schpitzer 1174936
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I'll try it out, thanks. My only concern is that will it recognize when the pilots filles the SID/STAR? If the pilot files, for example, BOMIT1.BERIK, would euroscope know to interpret it as BOMIT1BERIK (without dot or space). I'll do sme testing tonight, thanks

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Kirk Christie
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Nope it wont,

 

Is it normal for pilots to file in Canada?

 

Just get your controllers to fix it, when they [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ign a SSR code

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Aaron Schpitzer 1174936
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I made a temporary fix, I got rid of the transitions on the BOMIT1, now it terminates at the last common fix then direct to the transition point when you plt the route. This elimainates doubles of the transitions. I sent a PM to Gergely about hopefully fixing it in the euroscope update that's coming out. I've been coordinating with other FIR's and were all hoping it'll get fixed.

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