Harold Rutila 974112 Posted February 25, 2012 at 07:51 PM Posted February 25, 2012 at 07:51 PM I'd like to thank everyone who flew into Denver last night! We had an incredibly successful FNO with over 160 movements into and out of Denver International Airport. The major traffic push took place about an hour into the event. All of our controllers worked very hard to ensure this ran smoothly. Pilots, your holds were beautiful and helped us out a great bit during a small hiccup within Denver Approach airspace. You can watch the whole video below: http://denartcc.org/training/Videos/FNO/2012/FNO2012.html And just a reminder...we have one more event tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Tyndall 1087023 Posted February 26, 2012 at 04:52 AM Posted February 26, 2012 at 04:52 AM That was kinda neat Harold. I didn't get to fly in last night. Wish I had, now. Was I watching 16L/R Arrivals/Departures? The black screen made it hard for these tired eyes to read the radials. Looked like a lot of arrivals were sidestepping from Left to Right. Randy Randy Tyndall - KBOI ZLA I-11/vACC Portugal P4 “A ship is always safe in the harbor. But that’s not why they build ships” --Michael Bevington ID 814931, Former VATSIM Board of Governors Vice President of Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted February 26, 2012 at 07:04 AM Author Posted February 26, 2012 at 07:04 AM Hey Randy, If you look for KDEN in the center of the video, there is a set of four vertical dotted lines that mark the final approach courses for 16R, 16L, 17R, and 17L. The vertically-oriented rectangular outline that surrounds them is the airspace which Denver Final Approach (usually DEN_W_APP) owns. We have a strange phenomenon at Denver where pilots get very confused as to which runway they are cleared to visually approach. Because the terminal ramp splits the western runways (34R/L) from the eastern runways (35R/L), some pilots think that because they're cleared for a visual to Runway 16L, for instance, that that runway is on the left side relative to the terminal ramp. That's the biggest cause for having to change the runways for pilots that already appear to be established on final. Of course, because we don't have a traffic management unit like the real world D01, it's hard to balance the runway load as efficiently as possible all the time, so the final approach controller will switch aircraft when necessary for spacing. We can only run parallel finals between Runway 16L and Runway 16R during visual approach conditions. You wouldn't see that during an IMC weather situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted February 26, 2012 at 09:03 AM Posted February 26, 2012 at 09:03 AM Nice job, guys!! Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charan Kumar Posted February 26, 2012 at 03:06 PM Posted February 26, 2012 at 03:06 PM Very well done...shows how VATSIM events run, few targets, then a sudden rush of targets from all directions, then subsides to the few back again . Nice vdo. When is your next Flight||VATSIM HitSquad Member, ZOA/ZAK/GANDER/P1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Caffey Posted February 27, 2012 at 02:40 AM Posted February 27, 2012 at 02:40 AM Hey Randy, If you look for KDEN in the center of the video, there is a set of four vertical dotted lines that mark the final approach courses for 16R, 16L, 17R, and 17L. The vertically-oriented rectangular outline that surrounds them is the airspace which Denver Final Approach (usually DEN_W_APP) owns. We have a strange phenomenon at Denver where pilots get very confused as to which runway they are cleared to visually approach. Because the terminal ramp splits the western runways (34R/L) from the eastern runways (35R/L), some pilots think that because they're cleared for a visual to Runway 16L, for instance, that that runway is on the left side relative to the terminal ramp. That's the biggest cause for having to change the runways for pilots that already appear to be established on final. Of course, because we don't have a traffic management unit like the real world D01, it's hard to balance the runway load as efficiently as possible all the time, so the final approach controller will switch aircraft when necessary for spacing. We can only run parallel finals between Runway 16L and Runway 16R during visual approach conditions. You wouldn't see that during an IMC weather situation. That strange phenomenon seems to happen everywhere there are multiple runways. Seems like it would be simple to figure out if you had an airport diagram, shame they are so hard to get. Steven Caffey (SY) ZLA Controller "A mile of highway gets you one mile, but a mile of runway can take you anywhere." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Becker 1142460 Posted February 28, 2012 at 12:52 AM Posted February 28, 2012 at 12:52 AM Seems like it would be simple to figure out if you had an airport diagram, shame they are so hard to get. I wonder if it is because they are so expensive? Or maybe just really hard to find? I wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted February 28, 2012 at 05:15 AM Posted February 28, 2012 at 05:15 AM Well soon enough they will be, putting the US behind nearly every other civilized nation that distributes electronic charts for free or at production cost only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahul Parkar Posted February 28, 2012 at 09:15 AM Posted February 28, 2012 at 09:15 AM Jason, It's nowhere near that simple, and there are still good chances that there will be a free-to-distribute system somewhere, Many of the "web guys" who went to the Aeronav meeting in December echoed the same things, that a non-navigational free version should be available for distribution. There are still very good chances that one of the major chart suppliers (Skyvector, Airnav, Flightaware etc.) will distribute charts for free. Cheers! Rahul Rahul Parkar "On second thoughts Nappa, catch it, catch it with your teeth" -- Vegeta Professional Nerd. (Professionally not professional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Tyndall 1087023 Posted February 28, 2012 at 03:24 PM Posted February 28, 2012 at 03:24 PM Not really sure how this turned back into the "Pay for Charts" topic, but hopefully that won't happen. Remember this: http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation-news/ainalerts/2011-11-22/faa-digital-charting-issue-much-ado-about-nothing And to be honest, I think Steven was being sarcastic on purpose when he said shame they are so hard to get. because they are in fact, as Steven is most likely well aware, very, very easy to get. I have six notebook binders of them that have the AD, STARs, SIDs, and Approaches all by region and then alphabetical by airport. So I think two things here: One, about the free charts going away we are crying that "The Sky is Falling" all over again. This was beat to death last July, and Two, Steven was pointing out, by the perfect use of sarcasm, that the charts and diagrams are in fact very easy to get. None of this takes away from the fact that I found this video of Harold's fascinating and entertaining and, honestly, somewhat educational. Randy Randy Tyndall - KBOI ZLA I-11/vACC Portugal P4 “A ship is always safe in the harbor. But that’s not why they build ships” --Michael Bevington ID 814931, Former VATSIM Board of Governors Vice President of Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted February 28, 2012 at 06:13 PM Author Posted February 28, 2012 at 06:13 PM None of this takes away from the fact that I found this video of Harold's fascinating and entertaining and, honestly, somewhat educational. It's actually Marcus' video, but glad you enjoyed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted February 28, 2012 at 06:22 PM Posted February 28, 2012 at 06:22 PM niiiiice you can tell when it starts to get serious at 1:05 i need to get a new video card so i can get back to events it aint happening now, not without splitting a few hairs during the flight anyway i already had a nice surprise for my 30th, i need to avoid the high pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Becker 1142460 Posted February 28, 2012 at 07:05 PM Posted February 28, 2012 at 07:05 PM Um... Yes. I was being quite sarcastic in my previous post as well. Because, at the time of the event, charts are quite free for the facility and quite easy to find in a multitude of places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Tyndall 1087023 Posted February 29, 2012 at 02:18 AM Posted February 29, 2012 at 02:18 AM Ah...sorry Marcus...the printed word is so hard to decipher inflection. I honestly don't know why anyone would fly without charts when they are so easily found. One thing it has helped me in is understanding "directs" from ATC. I try to know my route well enough that I'll remember where on a chart something is, but every once in awhile I get cleared direct to someplace I wasn't expecting. "XYZ you are cleared direct Mabel" (I honestly don't know if this waypoint even exists...I just grabbed it out of the air...hey, "out of the air"...I made a funny!) Now, is that MABEL, MABLE, MABUL, MAYBL, MAIBL, etc, etc. A glance at the chart tells me instantly and I don't have to trouble ATC for the "spelling" so he or she can focus on the next guy in the progression. Randy Tyndall - KBOI ZLA I-11/vACC Portugal P4 “A ship is always safe in the harbor. But that’s not why they build ships” --Michael Bevington ID 814931, Former VATSIM Board of Governors Vice President of Pilot Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Caffey Posted February 29, 2012 at 06:21 AM Posted February 29, 2012 at 06:21 AM Yes, my post was dripping in sarcasm. Steven Caffey (SY) ZLA Controller "A mile of highway gets you one mile, but a mile of runway can take you anywhere." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted February 29, 2012 at 03:58 PM Author Posted February 29, 2012 at 03:58 PM Now, is that MABEL, MABLE, MABUL, MAYBL, MAIBL, etc, etc. A glance at the chart tells me instantly and I don't have to trouble ATC for the "spelling" so he or she can focus on the next guy in the progression. See, Randy, this is why we like when you fly in ZDV. This is what we get every day: "ABC123, cross POWDR at and maintain FL190 and 250 knots." "Roger, cross...uhh...say the fix again?" "ABC123, Papa Oscar Whiskey Delta Romeo, as in the POWDR7 arrival that you filed. We're asking you to do what the chart says to expect from ATC." On the chart: POWDR VERTICAL NAVIGATION PLANNING INFORMATION TURBOJETS: Expect to cross at FL190 and 250 KIAS or as [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned by ATC. A little bit of planning saves us a lot of time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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