Brian Sommers Posted May 21, 2015 at 01:47 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 01:47 PM When flying VFR and you want to transistion charlie airspace I know you don't ask for transition clearence like you do for B, D, etc. I know you just have to establish two way communications. In the real world and in on VATSIM how does this work? If I'm flying along and want to p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] through charlie a/s how do I ask if I don't ask for a transition? Ciao! http://airhops.club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted May 21, 2015 at 03:20 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 03:20 PM establish two way radio comms. doesnt have to be anything fancy, just as long as you have that requirement filled, you are good. the minute you call and the controller acknowledges that call by using your callsign, two way radio comms have been established. same for cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] D, two way comms. you throw in the transition requests for information, its not a requirement now, granted for everyone's benefit youll want to throw in who you are, where you are and what you want to do. its always good to throw in a cold call if you arent already talking to them. "Miami Approach N80457" APP: N80457, Miami Approach, go ahead (they may respond with "last aircraft go ahead" to avoid unintentionally completing that 2 way comm requirement without knowing where you are) "Miami Approach N80457 20nm SW FLL @ 2000, Northeast bound request transition cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] charlie" (most, if not all, cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C areas want you to call within 20nm, even if the ring is only 10nm. this will be noted in the magenta boxes on the sectional charts) APP: N80457, Squawk 4326 readback the squawk APP: N80457 radar contact 18nm SW FLL 2000 then go from there, you can throw in any pre planned turns, IE you plan to turn southbound over the shore etc.. keep them informed and theyll be happy happy. the other way is to simply have flight following, you dont need to request anything for cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C as you are already with them. all the lettered airspace borders are open with flight following, except Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B and of course A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted May 21, 2015 at 04:16 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 04:16 PM When flying VFR and you want to transistion charlie airspace I know you don't ask for transition clearence like you do for B, D, etc. I know you just have to establish two way communications. Ernesto mentioned this briefly in his reply, but to add a little, cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C and D are the same in this respect. Only cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B requires an explicit entry clearance. (So does cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A of course, but that's only IFR.) And to answer your question about real world versus VATSIM, they're both the same in this regard. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Sommers Posted May 21, 2015 at 04:31 PM Author Posted May 21, 2015 at 04:31 PM Very good. Thanks I forgot about flight following... I always do. A very good option indeed. I want to do some sightseeing tours around the SFO bay area/Golden Gate Bridge, etc out and back from KSQL. Ciao! http://airhops.club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted May 21, 2015 at 07:25 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 07:25 PM Hello Brian, please be advised that the airspace surrounding the San Francisco airport is cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B. Transitioning/entering cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B airspace under VFR requires a specific clearance, to include "Cleared to enter / out of / through Bravo airspace." Restrictions on route and / or altitude may be imposed by the controller as necessary. Oakland and San Jose airports in the vicinity of San Francisco airport are surrounded by cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C airspace and can be transitioned after establishing two way radio communications as mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Sommers Posted May 21, 2015 at 07:44 PM Author Posted May 21, 2015 at 07:44 PM Yes. I plan on taking off from KSQL heading east/northeast and through the Oakland charlie at 1000'MSL then over the Golden Gate and around the park and then make a loop I can go under the bravo shelf and back through the Oakland charlie and into KSQL. Ciao! http://airhops.club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wybe van Kampen Posted May 21, 2015 at 10:35 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 10:35 PM Very curious that everyone says that cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C doesn't require a crossing clearance. It's simply not true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace_cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] If the US do things differently, a disclaimer that says 'US only' would be very helpful, since this is an international forum after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted May 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM Posted May 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM it helps to read the entire topic, especially the post made by the OP right above yours and no, in the US it does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Bambach 1008842 Posted May 22, 2015 at 09:50 PM Posted May 22, 2015 at 09:50 PM Plus, this is the United States thread Ken Bambach ZMA ATM VATSIM Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Geckler Posted May 22, 2015 at 11:13 PM Posted May 22, 2015 at 11:13 PM Plus, this is the United States thread It got moved into here after that post Ryan Geckler - GK | Former VATUSA3 - Division Training Manager VATSIM Minneapolis ARTCC | FAA Miami ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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