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Scenario:

 

I've just landed IFR at KXXX, a towered U.S. airport (with active VATSIM ATC) and plan to taxi to the departure runway for a IFR departure to KZZZ.

 

Question:

 

As I don't yet have a IFR clearance to KZZZ; Rather than taxi to a ramp area; can I request to taxi to a hold or run-up area while I request and await my clearance?

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Chad Vienna - KCRQ

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From what I've seen other controllers do...and what I personally would do is tell you to expect clearance holding short of the runway...traffic permitting of course so there is no delay for multiple aircraft behind you.

 

I'm actually curious how they do this in the real world. Might be route dependent (Intra-TRACON vs. Inter-ARTCC).

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no requirement that i know of that you have to be at the ramp to receive an IFR clearance. work it out with the controllers, theyll tell you whether theyll be able to fit that request or if they prefer you go to the ramp to get it to keep you out of the way of other traffic. if theirs a holding box, even better.

 

happens sometimes. ive heard people do it at my home field, they start taxiing out and then for whatever reason whether it be deteriorating weather or whatever theyll key up ground and let them know they want to pick up an IFR. if you are small enough, like a cessna, we can fit about a dozen 172's on the side of the taxiway by the runway at our field, we often do for run-ups lol place gets jam packed during peak hours. the big citations can squeeze right in between us to get out.

 

seen the same for the folks doing their cross countries. rather then taxi to the ramp, they want to get back out quickly and avoid any fees.

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Thanks for the response guys.

 

I didn't think that it would/should be a problem unless it would interfere with the movement of other aircraft.

 

I have seen rw aircraft waiting in the run up area at KCRQ (when the TWR is in operation) awaiting IFR release, which I believe would mean that they are either awaiting clearance; or have a clearance and are waiting for DEP and/or CTR to find a hole in the flow to fit them into.

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Correct. And done in RW too. I've done it RW dozens of times. Hearing, "Clearance on Request", I've requested taxi clearance and gotten it. Most times, the ground controller will offer the clearance when I arrive at the runup area; occasionally they offer it while taxiing. If single pilot, I just advise that I'll pick it up in the runup area.

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Correct. And done in RW too. I've done it RW dozens of times. Hearing, "Clearance on Request", I've requested taxi clearance and gotten it. Most times, the ground controller will offer the clearance when I arrive at the runup area; occasionally they offer it while taxiing. If single pilot, I just advise that I'll pick it up in the runup area.

 

Well Don, that's another great thing about Janet; She's usually going through the taxi and take-off checklist, configuring trim, flaps, and last minute avionics while we're taxiing; leaving me free to utilize the PPT on my yoke, keep a hand on the power levers, and not even having to put my drink down.

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Well Don, that's another great thing about Janet; She's usually going through the taxi and take-off checklist, configuring trim, flaps, and last minute avionics while we're taxiing; leaving me free to utilize the PPT on my yoke, keep a hand on the power levers, and not even having to put my drink down.

 

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