Joshua Ridderhoff 873800 Posted March 30, 2006 at 12:31 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 12:31 AM http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/29/o.hare.takeoffs.ap/index.html Federal officials are investigating a third close call in less than a week involving planes at O'Hare International Airport. Whoops! Let's see: two counts of simultaneous departures on intersecting runways and one case of an aircraft taxiing across the runway in front of a rolling departure. Y'know, I could make a sarcastic comment about all the trouble the FAA is going to to nix "position & hold" right now, but... /s/ Josh Ridderhoff ZLC Senior Controller Fly ZLC! | ZLC Pilot & Controller Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Brummett Posted March 30, 2006 at 12:49 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 12:49 AM Hmm...I was travelling out of O'Hare on the 26th..... Mark Brummett Website owner, http://www.zkcartcc.org ZKC Events Co-ordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Ridderhoff 873800 Posted March 30, 2006 at 01:02 AM Author Posted March 30, 2006 at 01:02 AM Hmm...I was travelling out of O'Hare on the 26th..... You weren't on an A320 that had a rejected takeoff, were you? Y'know... in the back of my mind as I was posting this thread originally, I momentarily thought "What day was the field trip from the convention on?" What troubles me more is that these three make 7 runway incursions at O'Hare just for '06 -- the previous four were all controller error. That's as many as the entire year of 2005, and only 5 of those were controller error. /s/ Josh Ridderhoff ZLC Senior Controller Fly ZLC! | ZLC Pilot & Controller Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Brummett Posted March 30, 2006 at 01:38 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 01:38 AM Hmm...I was travelling out of O'Hare on the 26th..... You weren't on an A320 that had a rejected takeoff, were you? Y'know... in the back of my mind as I was posting this thread originally, I momentarily thought "What day was the field trip from the convention on?" What troubles me more is that these three make 7 runway incursions at O'Hare just for '06 -- the previous four were all controller error. That's as many as the entire year of 2005, and only 5 of those were controller error. Nope, MD83 for me. But it makes me wonder if we were the party taking the runway. I noticed we took off from 4L at taxiway T10, which, from what I understand, is common practice at O'Hare. Mark Brummett Website owner, http://www.zkcartcc.org ZKC Events Co-ordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Moulton Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:02 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:02 AM Interesting, as I just landed at ORD the other day on VATSIM and shortly after I touched down in my MD80, a 767 or 777 taxied across the runway in front of me. MAX Braking and steering to the left side of the runway got me by without hitting him. It was an ugly situation, as I would have been unable to do a go around at the point this acft entered the runway. ATC had told this guy to Taxi to 32L at Taxiway T (I think), which would have kept him off 27L, which is where the incident took place. Fly Safe! Have Fun! Craig Moulton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Polston 810032 Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:10 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:10 AM Wow, interesting. I flew back to Atlanta from the convention on an A320 on the 26th, but we didn't have a rejected take off. Mark Polston vZTL ARTCC | VATSIM Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Turner Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:27 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:27 AM This occured about the time that Zameda was called in to work... What happened Mark??? Jeff "JU" Turner US Army Retired http://www.skyblueradio.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zameda 810257 Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:41 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:41 AM I'm just a center puke boys, the only time I get to look at aircraft is when I visit the airport Mark Zameda VATUSA6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Brummett Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:45 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:45 AM I'm just a center puke boys, the only time I get to look at aircraft is when I visit the airport I could tell; you saw my room and thought you got the raw deal. Be sure to check those pictures out Z, I've got more coming. Mark Brummett Website owner, http://www.zkcartcc.org ZKC Events Co-ordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Turner Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:54 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:54 AM What was that Name that Bill called out at the Sat night drawing for prizes?? Bill? Jeff "JU" Turner US Army Retired http://www.skyblueradio.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hjemvick 811983 Posted March 30, 2006 at 07:59 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 07:59 AM Flying through Atlanta and Miami this past week, Weds to be exact, TIPH was in used. Actually, come to think of it, the RJ pilots from CAE-ATL said CAE is using it still as well, just they didnt bother at 6am as traffic isn't an issue. Just an FYI I suppose, could be a sign that waivor process is in use. Silly FAA policy change anyways. . . whatever. CMEL.CSEL.IA.AGI.CFI.CFII.MEI.CRJ2.FO.Furloughed Part of the Acey 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffery Williams 849847 Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:15 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:15 AM Flying through Atlanta and Miami this past week, Weds to be exact, TIPH was in used. Actually, come to think of it, the RJ pilots from CAE-ATL said CAE is using it still as well, just they didnt bother at 6am as traffic isn't an issue. Just an FYI I suppose, could be a sign that waivor process is in use. Silly FAA policy change anyways. . . whatever. I held in position at IAH, DAL, GSO, EWR, and STL during my trip this past weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hjemvick 811983 Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:19 AM Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:19 AM Flying through Atlanta and Miami this past week, Weds to be exact, TIPH was in used. Actually, come to think of it, the RJ pilots from CAE-ATL said CAE is using it still as well, just they didnt bother at 6am as traffic isn't an issue. Just an FYI I suppose, could be a sign that waivor process is in use. Silly FAA policy change anyways. . . whatever. I held in position at IAH, DAL, GSO, EWR, and STL during my trip this past weekend. Good deal. Hopefully the FAA will focus on utilizing some of the modernization technology that they have been talking about for years, instead of utilizing some half-[Mod - Happy Thoughts] thought out policy letter. . . then again, I may be dreaming. CMEL.CSEL.IA.AGI.CFI.CFII.MEI.CRJ2.FO.Furloughed Part of the Acey 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Grchan 925585 Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:23 PM Posted March 30, 2006 at 02:23 PM Flying through Atlanta and Miami this past week, Weds to be exact, TIPH was in used. Actually, come to think of it, the RJ pilots from CAE-ATL said CAE is using it still as well, just they didnt bother at 6am as traffic isn't an issue. Just an FYI I suppose, could be a sign that waivor process is in use. Silly FAA policy change anyways. . . whatever. I held in position at IAH, DAL, GSO, EWR, and STL during my trip this past weekend. Good deal. Hopefully the FAA will focus on utilizing some of the modernization technology that they have been talking about for years, instead of utilizing some half-[Mod - Happy Thoughts] thought out policy letter. . . then again, I may be dreaming. I know I heard somewhere that certain facilitys would get waivers for TIPH that allowed them to keep orderly flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Ridderhoff 873800 Posted March 30, 2006 at 04:33 PM Author Posted March 30, 2006 at 04:33 PM That's true. Some facilities -- according to their volume/facility needs; probably every Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B airport I'd imagine -- have applied for & received waivers allowing them to continue TIPH ops. But I know for a fact that it has been suspended at other smaller fields (well at least one anyway: my home airport, KOGD -- read the actual signed memo from the Ogden ATM). /s/ Josh Ridderhoff ZLC Senior Controller Fly ZLC! | ZLC Pilot & Controller Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiel McGowan 813486 Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:29 PM Posted March 30, 2006 at 08:29 PM Check out March 20th's and March 18th's post on the Main Bang http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/2006/03/index.html deals with the waivers being issued for TIPH. It seems the small airports will be the ones screwed out of it, while the big ones (where most of the incursions take place) will get the waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Brummett Posted March 30, 2006 at 09:29 PM Posted March 30, 2006 at 09:29 PM Check out March 20th's and March 18th's post on the Main Bang http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/2006/03/index.html deals with the waivers being issued for TIPH. It seems the small airports will be the ones screwed out of it, while the big ones (where most of the incursions take place) will get the waivers. Not only that, but look at some of the responses from the people it will affect the most -- controllers. http://safety.natca.net/tiphatcremarks.htm Mark Brummett Website owner, http://www.zkcartcc.org ZKC Events Co-ordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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