Dane Latham 904666 Posted April 2, 2006 at 02:59 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 02:59 AM Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Musselman 928185 wrote: If this is a Joke it's not funny. TGIF is first of all more than just one VA. So if trying to punish a certain someone, this is not the way to do it. This effects more than 150 people. People look foward to doing this all week. I'm very disappointed at this decision, and think that they should think about what they are doing. Lets just say I know where I'm flying next Friday.... Andrew, I hate to burst your bubble, but TGIF is VCA! It was started by VCA and continues to be VCA's event! We eventually invited other VA's into what has become VATSIM's premere event, but that's something current VATUSA management with a grudge is willing to lose I take it. Too bad really as we will continue our events, but we will explore other options besides VATSIM if they continue to support people like Jeff Turner. _________________ Thank you, Lance Williams Virtual Continental Airlines (Click Me) ...but I intend to stick my 2cents worth in one way or another! Lance, True, it's a VCA sponsored event. But, as Andy stated, it's co-sponsored by other VA's. VA's, who without their help, your precious TGIF wouldn't be the premier event that it has become! I know that back when I was the Events Mgr. at AvA, we routinely brought 20-25 pilots every single week. There's a big following with our guys, & I'm sure that holds true at the other VA's, as well. I personally think that it's not right for you to hold hostage, the pleasure of everybody that's helped you get TGIF to where it is, for what best as I can tell, amounts to nothing more then a pissing contest between you, & Mr. Turner. I keep reading he's got to go, this, & that, but I'm yet to even know why he has to go, lest you, in your almightiness, cancel my, as well as everyone elses' fun. If you're going to drag us into this, you at least owe us that. Normally I would say that it wasn't our business, but hey, you're the one that wanted to make this public, & involve people unrelated to it unwittingly, & at least in one case, against their will. On the face surface of it, your initial post reads like 'lil Johnny whining that "if you don't play ball the way I want to play ball, then I'm going to take my ball, & bat, & go home!" Don't be too surprised if that's exactly what they tell you to do! Do what you want to,...but I'm willing to bet that if you do,...it's gonna backfire, & bite you in the a$$. Disclaimer: This is just my personal opinion, & in no way should be construed to represent the opinions of any members, or the policies of AvA. Dane Latham JFK Hub Mgr., AvA Capt. Pilotus Amazingus -Superhero to the aviation m[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Thomas Posted April 2, 2006 at 03:22 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 03:22 AM From what it looks like, VATUSA did NOT cancel the event, VCA did. HOWEVER, people can still fly TGIF to Chicago next week if they like...I personally know that the staff at VZAU has been preparing for weeks now in order to provide service next Friday night. So, PLEASE fly to Chicago next Friday night because my wife will kill me if I tell her "those plans" we cancelled could actually have taken place! I'll be there in some form, so everyone please come on to the Windy City. Current weather looks like a typical April night with a chance for Tstorms and rain, and just "breezy". For anyone from Northern Illinois, BREEZY usually means winds 20 G 30+....they don't call it WINDY CITY for nothin'. Jeff PS> Any comments or speculation as to what happened between VCA/Lance and VATUSA is just that...pure speculation. No one should have an opinion except those who were directly involved. You simply don't know, and any comment on the situation only makes it worse....so just keep it zipped would be my advice. Jeff Thomas VP-IT https://joinava.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Speranza 908835 Posted April 2, 2006 at 04:53 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 04:53 AM I agree. Let's have TGIF without VCA, If need be As an old saying goes... "You can make it illegal; But that won't make it any less fun." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:03 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:03 AM VATCAN welcomes all pilots to the great white north, if you're up to the challenge of getting over our accents Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:10 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:10 AM Canadians don't have accents, everyone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:38 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:38 AM Canadians don't have accents, everyone else does. Haha! Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clausen Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:56 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:56 AM Eh? Fred Clausen, vZAB ATM ZAB real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Meyer 944876 Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:30 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:30 AM I agree. Let's have TGIF without VCA, If need be Exactly what I've been thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward McCoy 904185 Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:56 AM Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:56 AM IMO, I think TGIF is big enough now to carry itself. If people really wanted to, atleast 100 pilots (minus the VCA guys, if they care to not fly) could go into ORD/MDW this weekend and go to all the scheduled airports for the rest of the year.... Edward J. McCoy Albuquerque ARTCC DATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Brickell 852953 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:24 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:24 PM Hmm..YYZ-ORD sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:25 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:25 PM Hmm..YYZ-ORD sounds good to me. If only I could get myself active enough to guest control in YYZ YHZ is always an option Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Glorioso 810788 Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:42 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:42 PM I think it is time for Mark Zameda (VATUSA TMU Manager) to grab the reigns of the TGIF and make it an all inclusive VATUSA event. VATSIM Membership North America Manager VATUSA Senior Controller FAA ZDC Not-So-Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:55 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 05:55 PM I think it is time for Mark Zameda (VATUSA TMU Manager) to grab the reins of the TGIF and make it an all inclusive VATUSA event. If VATUSA were to start "taking over" events that virtual airlines have worked hard for months to build up and create, then Lance isn't going to be the only one jumping up and down screaming. I don't have any problems with VATUSA doing their own Friday night event, but TGIF is a "brand" that VCA, AVA, UPSVAC and Virtuel Frontier have built up over many weeks and months. I would not support any group within the VATSIM trying to appropriate that. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jenkins Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:12 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:12 PM Frankly, I have no interest in VAT-whatever taking over any VA events. Why do the work when they are already doing it? Besides I think they are better at than us. RJ RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Autry Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:50 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:50 PM just to be stupid for a second.. wasnt TGIF a BRAND started by ABC for friday night tv... think so.. sure vca or who ever started it.. but with the way ppl are getting these days.. alot of ppl need to reach back behind there computer.. grab the black cord and yank on it till it comes off there CPU.. then the whole world for them will be stress free Happy Flying.. Troy Autry vZDV-C1/M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:54 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 06:54 PM just to be stupid for a second.. wasnt TGIF a BRAND started by ABC for friday night tv... think so.. sure vca or who ever started it.. but with the way ppl are getting these days.. alot of ppl need to reach back behind there computer.. grab the black cord and yank on it till it comes off there CPU.. then the whole world for them will be stress free Happy Flying.. you are VERY correct, Troy. And as for it being a brand, I would think some copyright infringements could come into play, either by ABC/Disney, or TGI Friday's. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Autry Posted April 2, 2006 at 07:08 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 07:08 PM thanks.. now im hungry and the closest TGI Fridays is in springfield! Troy Autry vZDV-C1/M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Meyer 944876 Posted April 2, 2006 at 08:50 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 08:50 PM thanks.. now im hungry and the closest TGI Fridays is in springfield! Where in Missouri do you live Troy? Come on up to KC, I'll give you some food. I'm a GM at a Fridays in Overland Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:20 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:20 PM I think the point is that it would just be "uncool" for VATUSA to hijack an event like that. In my opinion, this will blow over and VCA will continue to organize the event. I really hope that the VCA membership will be able to look past Lance's personal issues with Jeff Turner and continue the event, with or without Lance. If Lance decides to fire them all, well, that's his call. If VCA doesn't continue with TGIF, another VA will step up and fill the void, regardless of what the event is actually called. TGIF is more than just Lance or VCA. Much more. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Autry Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:39 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:39 PM thanks.. now im hungry and the closest TGI Fridays is in springfield! Where in Missouri do you live Troy? Come on up to KC, I'll give you some food. I'm a GM at a Fridays in Overland Park. I live in lebanon.. but have family up in overland park to be honest ross.. i belive what your saying is true.. it would be "uncool".. i also agree with what RJ said.. Frankly, I have no interest in VAT-whatever taking over any VA events. Why do the work when they are already doing it? Besides I think they are better at than us. RJ why do all the work when almost every va out there has someone doing it already.. im sure that one or more va's will be willing to step up to the plate.. see now i dont make sence lol Troy Autry vZDV-C1/M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Lopez 883899 Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:42 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 09:42 PM thanks.. now im hungry and the closest TGI Fridays is in springfield! Where in Missouri do you live Troy? Come on up to KC, I'll give you some food. I'm a GM at a Fridays in Overland Park. I EAT THERE ALL THE TIME!! Shawnee, KS The thoughts and/or words or any general things that are expressed above are not a direct reflection of the views of the actual poster myself, Rey Lopez, and should be disregarded and left unread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Alston 812154 Posted April 2, 2006 at 10:24 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 10:24 PM just to be stupid for a second.. wasnt TGIF a BRAND started by ABC for friday night tv... think so.. sure vca or who ever started it.. but with the way ppl are getting these days.. .. The 'TGIF' term came into common use after a disco movie release in the late 1970s' titled 'Thank God its Friday'. Regards. Ernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:14 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:14 PM Frankly, I have no interest in VAT-whatever taking over any VA events. Why do the work when they are already doing it? Besides I think they are better at than us. Thanks, Richard. As Ross mentioned, hopefully some sort of solution can be worked out by the virtual airlines involved. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:51 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:51 PM Ernie, maybe we need to be Politically correct and call it "Thank Goodness It's Friday"? TGIF IS a VCA Event. And I Guess that means Lance can do with it, as he wishes. So Lets let it be, and let him make the call, and take it from there. He's VCA's CEO, and it's his call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Brummett Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:55 PM Posted April 2, 2006 at 11:55 PM Ernie, maybe we need to be Politically correct and call it "Thank Goodness It's Friday"? TGIF IS a VCA Event. And I Guess that means Lance can do with it, as he wishes. So Lets let it be, and let him make the call, and take it from there. He's VCA's CEO, and it's his call. But since other VAs participate in it, why would they not want to get the ball rolling on it? Does he have the event copyrighted or something? Just because HE doesn't want to do it doesn't mean others won't pick it up. I just don't see the logic of it. Mark Brummett Website owner, http://www.zkcartcc.org ZKC Events Co-ordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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