Lock the topic if you want too...

[Paul Heaney 879309]

Mark, I don't dare to claim anything is Logical. That's one point of view. What Other VAs do, is their concern. Its a big network. If Lance wants to pull his support, that's up to him, and he has his reasons. Whether everyone agrees with them or not.

[Troy Autry]

Ernie, maybe we need to be Politically correct and call it "Thank Goodness It's Friday"?

 

TGIF IS a VCA Event. And I Guess that means Lance can do with it, as he wishes. So Lets let it be, and let him make the call, and take it from there. He's VCA's CEO, and it's his call.

 

But since other VAs participate in it, why would they not want to get the ball rolling on it? Does he have the event copyrighted or something? Just because HE doesn't want to do it doesn't mean others won't pick it up.

 

I just don't see the logic of it.

 

 

took the words right out of my mouth mark!

[Adrian Edwards 949520]

TGIF can definitely be sustained without VCair, just look on ServInfo and see how many guys aren't CO guys. Of course minus the AA, FFT, and UPS it starts to take its toll, but I don't see why an ARTCC can't staff up and everybody that's still sane flies in. TGIF is the hilight of my week, sad to see it go down in such a stupid way.

[Nicholas Fredrich 827138]

 

The arguments in the forum go round and round, round and round, round and round. The arguments in the forum go round and round allllllllll daaaaay loooong.

[Mark McCauley 832889]

As it stands right now, AVA and UPS will be flying into Chicago. Iam not sure of FFT as I havent recieved any emails or replys from them. TGIF will continue as planned.

[Andrew Steinberg 939662]

just to be stupid for a second.. wasnt TGIF a BRAND started by ABC for friday night tv... think so.. sure vca or who ever started it.. but with the way ppl are getting these days.. alot of ppl need to reach back behind there computer.. grab the black cord and yank on it till it comes off there CPU.. then the whole world for them will be stress free Happy Flying..

 

you are VERY correct, Troy.

 

And as for it being a brand, I would think some copyright infringements could come into play, either by ABC/Disney, or TGI Friday's.

 

BL.

 

There really isn't an arugment for copyright infringment as 1) Nothing is being done for profit and 2) copyright is intellectual property and not titles, titles are trademarked. Just a bit of useful info!

[Garry Morris 920567]

1. No profit doesn't apply. A copyright is a copyright. If you use copyrighted material without permission, you can be sued, period. Think "damage to brand causing reduced income for the copyright holder" instead of "took away my profits by selling my copyrighted stuff". As an example, if you had a copy of a photograph I had taken that I was selling, and started giving it away to people for free without my permission, even though you're not making a dime by giving it away, guaranteed you'd get sued for every penny of lost income due to potential customers already having received the photograph for free, and probably additional damages as well.

 

2. Right! TGIF would be a trade or service mark, not a copyright.

[David Klain 874106]

Totally concur with everything you said...only thing I would add is that I believe the restaurant trademark is "T.G.I. Friday's". Believe the acronym TGIF (Thank God It's Friday) is in the open domain as a common expression and not trademarked by anyone (or subject to trademark due to common usage limitations)...

 

Dave

[Ross Carlson]

Sure did get off on a tangent here. When Luke used the word "brand", he quoted it just like I did here. In this context, it's more of a concept than an actual legal term. Luke stated his opposition to VATUSA trying to "appropriate" or hijack what Lance and VCA have created. I don't think Luke was trying to make a legal defense.

[Kyle Ramsey 810181]

If a word or phrase is in 'common' usage, then it can't be trademarked. For instance, if I ask for a coke, I might get a Coca-Cola (the trademarked name) or I might get a Pepsi (I will get a Pepsi if Harv is around and I WILL like it). "coke" can't be trademarked; has connotations in energy production to say nothing of the South American agricutural product, not that their lawyers are going to show up at a trademark fight anytime soon. I think the phrase 'Thank God It's Friday" is in too common a usage to be trademarked. The letters "TGIF" together may not, I don't have enough info to know if some company out there has grabbed it or not, but if they have then the current redition is in violation too. The eatery is "TGI Friday's" and that is its trademark. This stuff gets weird. I worked for company, a large semiconductor manufacturer, that had to purge all of it's web sites of a specific color that turns out was trademarked by someone else.

 

But a name is just a name, so maybe the suggestions to change it to something else is on the mark so it stands apart from the current offereing.

[Richard Walsh]

I have a cat.

[Richard Green 810012]

I will put this puppy to rest right here and now....

 

VATUSA has NO.... NONE... NADA.. NYET... ZIPPO... interest in taking over TGIF.

 

AVA, UPS, et al have done a good job running the event. I think the CEOs as a group would be best served by organizing it as a group.

 

TGIF serves a purpose, and I think that the other CEOs are more than able to continue one without Lance. I have never had an issue with AvA, United, UPS or any other CEO out there for that matter.

 

So in closing... good luck with TGIF, VATUSA will support any move the other CEOs wish to take... either in a new event or a reforming, and we offer any support that they need.

[Rey Lopez 883899]

Yo tengo un perro.

[Andrew Steinberg 939662]

1. No profit doesn't apply. A copyright is a copyright. If you use copyrighted material without permission, you can be sued, period. Think "damage to brand causing reduced income for the copyright holder" instead of "took away my profits by selling my copyrighted stuff". As an example, if you had a copy of a photograph I had taken that I was selling, and started giving it away to people for free without my permission, even though you're not making a dime by giving it away, guaranteed you'd get sued for every penny of lost income due to potential customers already having received the photograph for free, and probably additional damages as well.

 

2. Right! TGIF would be a trade or service mark, not a copyright.

 

Any chance are you a lawyer?

[Chris Smith]

Rey, that shaved lama needs to go

[Dan Everette]

Rey, that shaved lama needs to go

 

Seriously.. Everytime I read one of your posts, I almost enter some sort of epileptic seizure....

 

Though I do read your posts, and enjoy them, but I'm running out of Tylenol here mate....

[Nicholas Fredrich 827138]

 

The shaved psycadelic lama jumps up and down, up and down, up and down. The shaved psycadelic lama jumps up and down. allllllllllllllll daaaaaaaaaay looooooooong!

[Garry Morris 920567]

No Andrew, but I play one on TV.

 

I've read quite a bit on the Copyright issue. As a semi-pro photographer, the subject is of great interest to me, as I do occasionally make money on the work that I do, and want to protect my property.

 

I'll freely admit that what I said may have some slight irregularities in it, and should not be construed as legal advice. I do know that too many people think "if I'm not making money off of it, I can do whatever I want with other people's copyrighted material", and that's patently false (except in cases of fair use, which usually involves either use by educational institutions, or use of material for obvious satire, and a few other very limited exceptions). I hope that by trying to drive that point home over and over I can prevent someone from doing something really stupid and getting sued.