Requesting intersection departure

[Marcus Haraldsson 1359974]

Hello,

 

Recently when I departed out of ENGM i requested an intersection departure from A3 from the GND controller. He told me to standby for a bit while he was probably speaking to TWR which as far as I'm aware is always the one deciding wether or not an intersection is allowed. So, my question is, if I want an intersection departure should i request it from GND together with the taxi clearance, or should I request it on initial contact with TWR?

And if I'm meant to request the intersection from TWR, let's say GND tells me to taxi to the holding point, and when I p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the intersection i want I'm still not let of to TWR, should I ask GND at that point for the intersection?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Bradley Grafelman]

Should you withhold information/requests from ATC and wait until the last possible second to communicate, leaving them scrambling for coordination?

 

No, no you should not.

[Johnny Coughlan]

Should you withhold information/requests from ATC and wait until the last possible second to communicate, leaving them scrambling for coordination?

 

No, no you should not.

 

This, TWR needs to know ASAP so he can accommodate your request if traffic is heavy, ATC is all about planning, we plan with the info me have, dropping a request like that at the last minute can get it refused.

[Jim Hurst 1353723]

Hi Marcus,

 

[Mod - Happy Thoughts]uming both GND & TWR are staffed, I'd request the intersection taxi and departure from GND. If he needs to check with TWR to co-ordinate that, that's fine, but as the others say, it's not something you'd want to withhold or leave to the last minute.

 

While intersection departures aren't uncommon (esp. at Oshkosh ), they are a bit unusual, so it's good to get everyone on the same page from the get-go.

 

As an example that I frequently fly, if you're in Phoenix (KPHX) at general aviation (Swift or Cutter) expecting a west departure, you'll often get 25L. The H7 intersection departure is convenient for all, and prevents the need to cross 25L first to get to the actual end of that runway at G8.

 

So, on initial call-up to GND, I'll usually request the H7 intersection departure in that case, something like;

 

"Phoenix GND, Lear Seven Eight Niner Romeo Juliet, IFR to San Diego, is ready to taxi to Two Five Left, with information Charlie. I'd like the Hotel Seven intersection departure if able"

 

[Mod - Happy Thoughts]uming that's approved, when contacting TWR for takeoff clearance, I'd mention the intersection as well -- "Phoenix Tower, Lear Seven Eight Niner Romeo Juliet at Two Five Left, intersection Hotel Seven, ready for departure".

 

Hope that helps,

Regards,

Jim

[Magnus Meese]

While intersection departures aren't uncommon (esp. at Oshkosh ), they are a bit unusual,

..in the US

 

At ENGM, traffic should be handed over to tower once going down the parallell twy along their departure runway and they are correctly sequenced without any intersection conflicts (as in, no cargo a/c push, no hangar exiters, etc) up ahead. Unless you exit from the south ramp via K, there should be plenty time for tower to handle the request. You'll also likely be prompted wether you'd prefer any of the intersections, if you've got a controller with efficiency in mind. Keeping this in mind, it's still not a bad idea to ask ground up front, the earlier we know what you want or need, the better.

 

In both cases, calling tower up with "Tower good day, SAS123 ready from A3" is a good way to solidify the request and bring up any coordinations with ground to the front of the controller's attention stack, if ground didn't instruct you to utilize any specific intersection.

[Lindsey Wiebe 1101951]

Sometimes ground controllers will even hint: here in CYVR flying Navajos they used to (if hadn't already asked for) state "REX131 are you able Tango intersection departure off 8L, 8,000 ft remaining" knowing we REALLY only need like 1,500 ft! haha "yes, sir that's not a problem!"

[Trent Hopkinson]

Hello,

 

Recently when I departed out of ENGM i requested an intersection departure from A3 from the GND controller. He told me to standby for a bit while he was probably speaking to TWR which as far as I'm aware is always the one deciding wether or not an intersection is allowed. So, my question is, if I want an intersection departure should i request it from GND together with the taxi clearance, or should I request it on initial contact with TWR?

And if I'm meant to request the intersection from TWR, let's say GND tells me to taxi to the holding point, and when I p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the intersection i want I'm still not let of to TWR, should I ask GND at that point for the intersection?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Hey ground, can I take off from the point I just p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ed and which is now behind me?

 

TWR: I'm not sure if that's a physical possibility given the current understanding of how space and time work unless you're wanting a U turn on the taxiway?