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Hold @ RNAV Waypoint - FAA Phraseology?


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Daniel Hawton
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That first image is very much like our KOMMA example, except it's radial instead of track, i.e. reciprocal, so if giving a fix instead of a VOR and track instead of radial, you'd give "hold northeast, on the 210 track..."

 

Not at all. That number 1 example has an inbound track heading southwest... KOMMA inbound is 037 which is northeast. Completely wrong aside of the fix which is help caught by the statement " hold north as published" which would clue the pilot in saying "you can't hold north on a 037 track with right turns".

You can't hold North on a 037 track with any turns. If your inbound track is 037, then you're either holding South (right turns) or Southwest (left turns). The only way to hold Northeast, is on a 217 track, or as in Ernesto's picture, 210 track (=030 radial), with right turns being more North and left turns being more East, the difference is just these 7° and fix vs. VOR.

 

037 is a northeast track... And it's not a radial. Fixes do not have radials.

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Dhruv Kalra
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"Hold Northeast" would imply that the entire holding pattern keeps you to the North and East of the Fix, therefore the inbound course would be in a southwesterly direction.

Dhruv Kalra

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