Taking off from Satellite airport

[Lance Additon 1052826]

Quick question, I'm creating an IFR flight plan from KAWM which is right outside of Memphis departin to the East towards KATL. When creating my flightplan, it would be easier (in my opinion) to simply overfly the field and cross memhis since most of the planes taking off and landing would be at lower altitudes. My question is, there are no SIDS for KAWM, so how do I plan my departure? A more general question would be, how do you plan a departure from a satellite airport when next to a larger airport and that satellite has no published departures?

[Lance Additon 1052826]

No one has come across this?

[Magnus Meese]

File a route that works for you. If it's okay, you'll be cleared along it. If it's not okay, you'll be given an amendment. That's the basic principle for all IFR flightplans. Especially in FAA-land, in Europe you'll run into a million restrictions and regulations if you go looking, but the principle is still valid here as well. Overriding rules for planning is up to the controller, whatever makes you not crash is fair play (mostly).

[Ernesto Alvarez 818262]

thats where your preplanning is going to come into play. online you shouldnt have any problems filing via MEM, real world might be another story, but being IFR youll know in your clearance whether they can or cant depending on traffic loads etc.. especially considering which way the traffic is flowing.

 

but again, online its not that busy so doing so will be 10x easier. skyvector recommends departing from AWM and joining the V159 airway to HLI which would bring you just north of MEM.

 

there arent any FAA preferred routes from AWM so you are pretty much to your hearts content to plan it. fun part of flying IFR though is you dont have to worry about too many things compared to VFR flight planning where you need to watch for airspace cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es, etc.. flying IFR is your golden ticket through

[Jim Hurst 1353723]

Hi Lance,

 

I agree with Magnus and Ernesto in this case. One thing I would ask is "what are you flying"?

 

The filed route could be as simple as MEM.RMG5 (The Rome 5 Arrival has a an entry transition at MEM) if the aircraft is something that can get up to the Minimum Enroute Altitude (14500 ft) that quickly (since KAWM is only 14 nm out of MEM).

 

If it's a light GA aircraft, something like HLI V159 VUZ V18 ATL might be more practical as the highest MEA on that route looks to be 4000 ft.

 

Since you're planning the flight as IFR, your initial clearance will let you know if ATC accepts whatever route you file (whether either of these, or something else entirely).

 

Regards,

Jim

 

PS> As an aside, if you were flying VFR, the only tricky parts would be the Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B's -- Obviously ATL can't be ignored as it's the destination, and tbh, I'd just ask ATC for a transition through Memphis Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B, but you could stay under it by going north and then northeast at say, 2,800ft as the floor is 3000 in the KAWM area. Enroute, it's all Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] E/G (nothing to worry about there) until you reach Atlanta's Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B. The Columbus MoA's are also along that path, but since VATsim doesn't allow military ops (without special permission) it's a safe [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umption they're "inactive" and no factor (in RL, you'd want to check that, just in case).

[Lance Additon 1052826]

Thanks for all the input guys. I looked at the routes and its about what I was going to do. Another follow up question when planning in general. I was trying to "play nice" wiht ATC in trying to plan a route that would be convenient for them. Typically when planning, do you shoot for the most direct route and let ATC amend as needed or try to help them out by picking more commonly used routes. What's a thumb rule that you use?

[Kenneth Haught]

Thanks for all the input guys. I looked at the routes and its about what I was going to do. Another follow up question when planning in general. I was trying to "play nice" wiht ATC in trying to plan a route that would be convenient for them. Typically when planning, do you shoot for the most direct route and let ATC amend as needed or try to help them out by picking more commonly used routes. What's a thumb rule that you use?

 

As a controller it mainly depends on distance. If it's within the originating ARTCC then "usually" whatever is filed will work (there are exceptions to this). If you're leaving the originating ARTCC then there may be LOA's or procedures to keep in mind. Always file what works for you if you don't see any preferred routings...if they don't work for the controller then we'll let you know during your flight (at clearance when we can or it may be later in flight if it's a long distance trip).

[Alex Ying]

For routes, you can also search the for routes in the FAA Preferred Route Database (PRD). Some ARTCC also have their own PRDs which are modified versions of the RW FAA database (for example ZNY's PRD)