[MAR. 10] [UPDATED] VATSIM ACC OVERLOAD | Groupflight Event

[Marin Yang]

Do you like transoceanic flights? Do you like VATSIM events?

 

What about trying a flight covered by 6+ different event ACC/FIR/ARTCC controllers?

 

On the next Sunday. Missing it would mean a wait longer than you imagine, for the next big day anywhere near this to return to the VATSIM skies.

 

Time: Saturday, March 10 | Between UTC 1300Z & 0300Z morrow

(approximation only)

 

Departure:

Hong Kong International Airport

(VHHH/HKG)

Optional: Shanghai/Pudong(ZSPD) Fukuoka(RJFF)

and others.

Arrival:

Toronto Lester B. Pearson International Airport (CYYZ/YYZ)

And others.

 

Takeoff Time:

VHHH - Mar. 10 UTC 1330z (preliminary approximation only)

Other Airports - You can choose to depart at other times and from other airports! For your own time and route, you can contact us to start the flight planning now.

 

Route: Updated. See Operational Reminders below

Full ATC coverage*!

 

Links to scenery and charts if you need them - https://news.eofirmament.com/index.php/vatsimaccoverload/#scenery

 

For a package containing all airport charts / enroute charts / VFR environmental charts produced by us, please contact us to reserve a copy for you.

We can also provide you help regarding flight planning, software, procedure, communication, etc.

 

If you have any question, need any help, want to get the latest update or simply want to join, please choose a method below to contact us / sign up for the groupflight.

Or, you can just reply here.

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Unfortunately, this post had attracted the attention of some controversy-seeking political "activists" for no good reason. You may want to go to the end of this post: https://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=75872&p=522178#p522178 to read a wrap-up of the related matters.

 

Operational Reminders

(Expected) Flight Plan Route #1: SID LAKES V13 LOGAN V1 DOTMI A470 LJG B221 DST X11 BOLEX G327 LAMEN A593 FUE V28 DGC DCT KANDA DCT IWT DCT HGE DCT KANBE DCT RYUOH DCT OYE V28 CUE Y88 DAIGO Y889 OATIS OTR3 PUTER A590 HAMND DCT AMOTT J511 GKN NCA14 YNE NCA15 SSM STAR

Remarks: Route contains ATS segments (DGC-OYE). Route contains sanctioned direct segment (Alaska). If airway X11 is unable to be accepted by your flightplan system, use DST - N2837.4E12127.7 - HSN - BOLEX.

 

The target takeoff time has been updated to 1330z. Pilots should plan to depart on or slightly before this time. If no direct routing on departure transition route (V1) is given by ATC, expect to depart at least 3 minutes earlier.

 

ETOPS Summary:

This route is a non-ETOPS (maximum diversion distance < 400 nmi). However, Iturup Airport (UHSI) is not present in default FS sceneries.

List of major adequate airports & diversion distances (Project Firmament):

 

Weather forecast overview (091300z):

No significant adverse weather situation is reported at the departure field or Enroute.

Weather forecast covering the entire period of flight is not yet available.

No volcanic activity reported in Kamchatka / Alaska regions.

Snowfall is reported in Ontario.

 

Route Highlights

Updated - See below

 

Miscellaneous

The route / time for the flight is to be finalized according to wind aloft / weather situations near the date of flight.

Considering that, participating crews are encouraged to contact us and sign up to get all the latest updates.

* : Event ACC coverage can be ensured in following FIRs: VHHK ZSHA RKRR RJJJ PAZA CZYZ

Air Route Traffic Control Service Courtesy of VATSIM Divisions: VACC-HK/VATPRC/VATKOR/VATJPN/VATUSA(vZAN ARTCC)/VATCAN

Related event pages listed in order: https://www.vatsim.net/events/shanghai-hong-kong-express https://www.vatsim.net/events/fukuoka-meets-incheon https://forums.vatusa.net/index.php?topic=7689.0(Arctic Fire) https://www.vatsim.net/events/2018-tfdi-design-ontario-poker-run

Due to the spillover of events, Edmonton/Winnipeg FIR which do not have an event yet have a high probability to get ATC coverage.

You can continue to participate in the event in Ontario after you land, and have an opportunity to win a TFDi Design Boeing 717.

This event route is conceived and planned by Project Firmament, an original aviation media society.

Edited April 22, 2018 at 04:21 PM by Guest

[Marin Yang]

Update: Route Highlights

 

[*]Zhoushan Archipelago 舟山群岛

largest archipelago in China

 

[*]Fukuoka

* An event airport

https://www.vatsim.net/events/fukuoka-meets-incheon

 

[*] Kitakyushu/Shimonoseki/Kanmon Strait

Strait between Honshu and Kyushu island.

 

[*] Hiroshima

 

[*] Kyoto-Osaka-Kobe

Osaka, Kyoto, Biwa Lake.

 

[*] Nagoya

 

[*] World Heritage Site - Mt. FujiFlyby, 30 nmi to the north

Peak Elevation 12,389' AMSL

 

[*] Greater Tokyo Area

the largest metropolitan area in the world

 

[*] Attu Island

Westernmost largest island in the Aleutian Islands, facing the Russian Commander Islands to the west, was once the place of a major land battle between Imperial Japan and the US in WWII.

Close to Shemya Island (Location of our important ETOPS adequate airport Eareckson AS / PASY)

 

[*] St. Paul Island

Lonely Alaskan island located deep in the Bering Sea. Adjacent to St. George Island to the SE. Has an airport (PASN)

 

[*] Redoubt Volcano

Flyby, 10 nmi to the north

~90 nmi WSW of Anchorage, AK, this raging active volcano on the west coast of Cook Inlet has an elevation of 10, 197' AMSL, and was what brought down KLM867 (quad engine failure) in 1989.

 

[*] Anchorage, AK

The largest city in the arctic North America

 

[*] Wrangell Mountains

Flyover

A part of Wrangell-Saint Elias National Park and Preserve.

Part of the World Heritage Site - Kluane / Wrangell–St. Elias / Glacier Bay / Tatshenshini-AlsekPeak elevation 14,163' - 16,390' AMSL

Nabesna Glacier - longest Valley Glacier in the world

 

[*] World Heritage Site - Nahanni National Park PreserveFlyover

Our route follows the centerpiece of the park - South Nahanni River to the east, with some of the most spectacular waterfalls in North America along the way.

 

World Heritage Site - Wood Buffalo National ParkFlyover The largest inland river delta in North America

Situated on the border between Alberta and Northwest Territories, it is the second largest national park in the world.

 

[*] Sault Ste. Marie

The Canadian-American twin cities situated near the locks and canal connecting Lake Superior and Lake Huron.

 

[*] Manitoulin Island

Situated on Lake Huron, it is the largest lake island in the world. It also has the largest lake on an island in a lake and the largest island in a lake on an island in a lake.

 

 

P.S. The route highlights above are compiled on the basis of planned route #1, and could change due to any change in the flight plan route.

Contents © Project Firmament, 2018.

Images © Wikicommons

 

Wrap-up: 4 UNESCO World Heritage sites? An event route with this number and quality of highlights on it is rare, even by the standard of Project Firmament flight planning.

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[Cho Chak Chan 1254398]

So you think it's funny to use Hong Kong Armorial Bearings to represent HK?

As a Hong Kong permanent resident, I feel insulted by what you put onto your poster.

[Marin Yang]

So you think it's funny to use Hong Kong Armorial Bearings to represent HK?

As a Hong Kong permanent resident, I feel insulted by what you put onto your poster.

I am sorry for upsetting you. However, it's more than clear that designs used in a certain event poster have no political meaning and are not used to indicate the political status of any region. And we believe we can select a normal historical symbol to represent any location in the world in our design. Again, this is not a formal or political usage. The other coat of arms is not the present ensign of Toronto, either.

It is well known that our organization supported progressive causes and has never supported things such as"colonialism". We are saddened by some people who are willing to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume bad faith and deliberately politicize this issue. Thank you for your understanding.

[Shi Ran 1364942]

 

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[Cho Chak Chan 1254398]

So you think it's funny to use Hong Kong Armorial Bearings to represent HK?

As a Hong Kong permanent resident, I feel insulted by what you put onto your poster.

I am sorry for upsetting you. However, it's more than clear that designs used in a certain event poster have no political meaning and are not used to indicate the political status of any region. And we believe we can select a normal historical symbol to represent any location in the world in our design. Again, this is not a formal or political usage. The other coat of arms is not the present ensign of Toronto, either.

It is well known that our organization supported progressive causes and has never supported things such as"colonialism". We are saddened by some people who are willing to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume bad faith and deliberately politicize this issue. Thank you for your understanding.

Unfortunately, your excuse for "using a normal historical symbol" is not a proper reason for your group to do such an insulting action, especially when you and your group understand using this symbol may cause some misunderstanding or political issue. BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.

[JieWei Yang 1383730]

It's a common sense and understanding, when you specified any flags/symbols in an event description, you are intended use them as a representation.

 

Especially with such symbol which represent a special political meaning, it's way beyond "design".

 

If you want to be history study, it's fine to use that. But i feel insulted when you use this in a current age event.

[Marin Yang]

So you think it's funny to use Hong Kong Armorial Bearings to represent HK?

As a Hong Kong permanent resident, I feel insulted by what you put onto your poster.

I am sorry for upsetting you. However, it's more than clear that designs used in a certain event poster have no political meaning and are not used to indicate the political status of any region. And we believe we can select a normal historical symbol to represent any location in the world in our design. Again, this is not a formal or political usage. The other coat of arms is not the present ensign of Toronto, either.

It is well known that our organization supported progressive causes and has never supported things such as"colonialism". We are saddened by some people who are willing to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume bad faith and deliberately politicize this issue. Thank you for your understanding.

Unfortunately, your excuse for "using a normal historical symbol" is not a proper reason for your group to do such an insulting action, especially when you and your group understand using this symbol may cause some misunderstanding or political issue. BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.

 

At this point, I can only feel sorry for you. You certainly know a lot about respect. Politicizing small issues for a personal vendetta against us? So much for being a "Hong Kong permanent resident".

On VATSIM, the offensiveness of contents is not determined by the political correctness in a particular region (like yours, mainland China), but by universal consensus. You will have to specifically point out which rule was violated in our informal usage of a symbol.

Thank you for showing interests in our events with your first posts in the forum.

[jimmy wong 1370321]

We are not interesting in your event But shame with you as a Chinese.Vatsim shall stop this event until flag amendment .

[Cho Chak Chan 1254398]

I am sorry for upsetting you. However, it's more than clear that designs used in a certain event poster have no political meaning and are not used to indicate the political status of any region. And we believe we can select a normal historical symbol to represent any location in the world in our design. Again, this is not a formal or political usage. The other coat of arms is not the present ensign of Toronto, either.

It is well known that our organization supported progressive causes and has never supported things such as"colonialism". We are saddened by some people who are willing to [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume bad faith and deliberately politicize this issue. Thank you for your understanding.

Unfortunately, your excuse for "using a normal historical symbol" is not a proper reason for your group to do such an insulting action, especially when you and your group understand using this symbol may cause some misunderstanding or political issue. BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE.

 

At this point, I can only feel sorry for you. You certainly know a lot about respect. Politicizing small issues for a personal vendetta against us? So much for being a "Hong Kong permanent resident".

On VATSIM, the offensiveness of contents is not determined by the political correctness in a particular region (like yours, mainland China), but by universal consensus. You will have to specifically point out which rule was violated in our informal usage of a symbol.

Thank you for showing interests in our events with your first posts in the forum.

 

So that means you and your group believe that this is a "small issue"? The reason why we point it out is because of "personal conflict"? Don't be that naive, we are angry because of this poster, not you. And regard to what you just said, "consensus", you are using a symbol of British Hong Kong to represent Hong Kong, that is the "consensus". VATSIM is a place for share and communicate, not a place for you and your group to play any "political game". Stop acting like a joker.

[Gordon Zhu 1182053]

It's simple, if you don't want people to speculate the meaning behind the shroud, you need to explain your intention for covering the controversial material prior to the post. All I have seen was the op blaming people for misunderstanding his motivation whereas he didn't give a proper explanation in the first place.

[Anastasios Petros Stefopou]

Dear all,

Although VATSIM is a learning environment , is encouraging events and is a place where people should unite, exchange experiences, learn and have fun online, VATSIM is in no way engaged in any political matters, such as history, sensitive areas or sensitive symbols. It might not have been Muxi Yang 1299312 intention, as he stated above, to cause trouble, but unfortunately this event and flags have had different result. After exchanging emails with the responsible person of this groupflight he has advised me that any sensitive symbols will be changed.

In any other circomestance, VATSIM rules will be followed.

Thank you for your attention.

[jimmy wong 1370321]

It still existed.Show us his action to amend or Please remove this poster until revised.The event had been spareded to China and bring negative reputation for VATSIM.

[Andreas Fuchs]

Guys, what the hell is going on with you? Are you really fighting like little children about a stupid flag?? Although the current symbol is representing the British Colonial Flag of Hongkong, it is not such a negative thing, although bad things have happened as well in its colonial history. Please see it in context: in Hongkong you would NOT have any kind of free speech or special status in terms of elections, travelling and business, if it did not have this past. Don't forget about this fact.

 

As a German I cannot understand this kind of nationalism. If you do not care about the event, please move on, it is non of your business. So far the ONLY negative image has been created by your nationalist posts where you expressed that you feel "insulted". Otherwise nobody would have noticed it!! At the moment the VATSIM-world is shaking its head about your childish reactions to this event-banner, because pilots care about competent air traffic controllers staffing an entire route from A to B - they do NOT care about feelings regarding flags, symbols or politics. You cannot feel insulted, it is just a bloody flag on the internet without any deeper meaning. We are playing a game here.

 

On top of it, Anastasios posted his statement not long ago, so be patient. If you cannot be patient then this is the wrong place for you to be.

[jimmy wong 1370321]

If there is event posted with DDR flag, or BRD ,how about your feeling. Do not engage to such sensitive topic as a foreigner.

[Anastasios Petros Stefopou]

If there is event posted with DDR flag, or BRD ,how about your feeling. Do not engage to such sensitive topic as a foreigner.

 

Jimmy, i would kindly ask to stop posting and stop irritate this issue any longer. You brought this to our attention. I believe there is nothing to post further. I have been clear in my post reply above. Thanks.

[Marin Yang]

It's simple, if you don't want people to speculate the meaning behind the shroud, you need to explain your intention for covering the controversial material prior to the post. All I have seen was the op blaming people for misunderstanding his motivation whereas he didn't give a proper explanation in the first place.

However, the "proper explanation" was already stated before. Let me repeat that again: This design features 2 historical coats of arms highlighting 2 locations in our events. They are in different hemispheres on earth but have distinct historical and geographical links between them. This is why we find intercontinental flights so interesting and maybe why some people who haven't flown such routes cannot understand. This is not the first time we have done a design like this, and it's becoming a tradition.

Maybe I don't have to explain the "intention" and "motivation", as the image in question clearly just shows the departure and landing cities, the time, nothing else. Perhaps it's the other side's duty to explain their justification for all the hateful words and rhetorics (not limited to this forum), [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umptions of bad faith, and the whole witch-hunting environment that almost solely came from some members from P. R. of China, who are determined to use their local political rules and biases to police anyone, anything in the world.

[Andreas Fuchs]

If there is event posted with DDR flag, or BRD ,how about your feeling. Do not engage to such sensitive topic as a foreigner.

You are a foreigner as well. Hongkong is Hongkong, not China. And if you created an event-banner for a city-pair from Dresden to Frankfurt, using the flags of DDR and BRD, I would have a laugh and enjoy the history. History CANNOT be eradicated.

 

So, stop your political rant now and forever. Otherwise you will risk getting excluded from VATSIM altogether.

[Marin Yang]

Guys, what the hell is going on with you? Are you really fighting like little children about a stupid flag?? Although the current symbol is representing the British Colonial Flag of Hongkong, it is not such a negative thing, although bad things have happened as well in its colonial history. Please see it in context: in Hongkong you would NOT have any kind of free speech or special status in terms of elections, travelling and business, if it did not have this past. Don't forget about this fact.

 

As a German I cannot understand this kind of nationalism. If you do not care about the event, please move on, it is non of your business. So far the ONLY negative image has been created by your nationalist posts where you expressed that you feel "insulted". Otherwise nobody would have noticed it!! At the moment the VATSIM-world is shaking its head about your childish reactions to this event-banner, because pilots care about competent air traffic controllers staffing an entire route from A to B - they do NOT care about feelings regarding flags, symbols or politics. You cannot feel insulted, it is just a bloody flag on the internet without any deeper meaning. We are playing a game here.

 

On top of it, Anastasios posted his statement not long ago, so be patient. If you cannot be patient then this is the wrong place for you to be.

Well said. As the organizer, it's disheartening and beyond me why some people are simply good at seeking for political controversies in a totally unrelated flight sim environment. We have used historical coats of arms to highlight locations such as Western Australia, Bermuda, Hawaii, Ontario... No problem. Until this.

I will definitely try to steer clear of regions that cares so much about "political sensitivity." As for this post, I'll try my best bring its focus back to where it should be - flight simulation.

 

Have a nice day.

[Andreas Fuchs]

No, Muxi. You do as you like. There was nothing disrespectful about the flag. It is only individuals taking offence and stirring up the mood. Don't let impress you.

[Shi Ran 1364942]

If there is event posted with DDR flag, or BRD ,how about your feeling. Do not engage to such sensitive topic as a foreigner.

You are a foreigner as well. Hongkong is Hongkong, not China. And if you created an event-banner for a city-pair from Dresden to Frankfurt, using the flags of DDR and BRD, I would have a laugh and enjoy the history. History CANNOT be eradicated.

 

So, stop your political rant now and forever. Otherwise you will risk getting excluded from VATSIM altogether.

 

So, who brings up the political conflict again? Where is the Mr./Ms. Admin?

[Jason Liu 1148014]

Cool down man! You Chinese guys should stop being so sensitive to politics. There is really no need to do everything politically correctly, especially in here. People from VATSIM just wanna enjoy their hobby which is aviation. If you don't like this event, like Andreas said, just move away! Netizen from MAINLAND CHINA already have a bad reputation for being rude because of people like hmmm, well, I'm not gonna point it out, so please stop being the black sheep of your country. And make VATSIM a more friendly place for aviator.

Edited March 8, 2018 at 02:37 AM by Guest

[Andreas Fuchs]

Well said, Jason.

[Gordon Zhu 1182053]

I see the controversial symbolic representation has been removed, I would personally thank the Moderator who managed to reach out to the op and [Mod - Happy Thoughts]isted him to change the banner.

The following context of this post is only stated as a given reason and proof to start a complete, distinct and logical explanation, it has nothing to do nor attempt to encourage any form of political discussion. Please be advised.

The op has used a sensitive symbolic representation in his banner, the main design of the banning was modified from the Coat of Arms of Hong Kong, which was the armorial bearings used by colonial Hong Kong in the past during the British Hong Kong era. The armorial bearings remain as a historical marker of British Hong Kong era after the transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong in July 1997.

However, this symbol does not only remain as a historical marker, it also regained its political usage after a registered political group recently has selected it to represent its party and promote political activities in 2015. it means that this symbol is, in fact, a correlative to the political matters, which is not supported by VATSIM rules, and it should not be posted in the first place.

 

I totally understand that VATSIM doesn't advocate its members to cover political context nor material into the event. I don't think it's appropriate for the op to introduce elements of a symbolic representation that has been involved in political matters which are totally irrelevant to a flight sim organization. With all due respect, I will only comment on its result, not the op's motivation. I feel sorry to see the result that the op has introduced the partial design from a sensitive representation and it has engaged a potential political discussion in this thread.

Furthermore, the op has made some modifications to the original design of Coat of Arms of Hong Kong armorial bearings, which made his design obsolete for being a historical symbol, though he stated the usage of the design in his banner as the historical symbols.

I am sorry for upsetting you. However, it's more than clear that designs used in a certain event poster have no political meaning and are not used to indicate the political status of any region. And we believe we can select a normal historical symbol to represent any location in the world in our design.

I would like to kindly remind him that the design after his modifications is a fictional work. Without the acknowledgment from the official authority or the original author, it cannot be regarded as a valid historical symbolic reference to a real-world city Hong Kong that has its own history. By all means, it can be used as neither political nor historical symbol.

I was asking the op to clarify his intention because his design contains misleading information. I would suggest him to select real-world and non-sensitive references, symbols, contexts, and designs next time if he insisted to use them.

 

Enough talk from now anyway, the inappropriate banner has been removed and it's all good now. I would recommend the op to make a discreet consideration before posting such a sensitive material.

 

That's all I have to say, I modified this post to provide supplementary information and contribute my explanation. I am happy to go through all of my words if further explanation is required.

I hope all of you fly safely and enjoy the virtual skies!

[Marin Yang]

As the organizer of this event, it might be the best if I wrap this so-called "controversy" up now for the record.

An ordinary coat of arms does not convey any political idea. When we are using it in an informal environment, it does not indicate any political orientation on our side either, unless there are certain people that are good at giving it extra "meanings". Apparently, when this post was discovered by certain online political "activists", the destructive results are shown, as demonstrated by certain previous posts under this thread.

 

That is why the politicizing of this minor event poster is such an unfortunate episode in the international community of VATSIM. This tiny detail was first picked up and exploited by some politically-charged nationalists in mainland China, and then we started seeing this whole "political controversy" being created out of nowhere.

 

We did our work before choosing our design. Historical symbols representing periods that oppress human rights and are universally condemned, for example, should not be displayed in public spaces. However, the rabble-rousers failed to provide any such universal consensus in this case.

However, this symbol does not only remain as a historical marker, it also regained its political usage after a registered political group recently has selected it to represent its party and promote political activities in 2015. it means that this symbol is, in fact, a correlative to the political matters, ...

Later, it has become apparent that even some of them had conceded that this symbol does not, in fact, express our "endorsement" for a particular historical period. That's when their words start to show their political motives. I will have to iterate this again: this coat of arms was selected solely due to its similarity with its Canadian counterpart, and we did not use a full flag because it's not necessary in the first place and we do not want it to have any political meaning about "sovereignty". Here, by arbitrarily connecting our design to a certain political group they dislike, they showed what their true motives are. So I will have to say this: your political tastes are yours and yours alone. Maybe the gov't you are allegiant to cracks down on some political groups and censors a symbol, but that does not mean everyone in the world should follow your political rulebook and correctness disregarding any common sense.

 

VATSIM should not be turned into a place for vicious ad hominem attacks and political witch-hunts. It's so disheartening to see a particular division of VATSIM injecting itself into a controversy that is not related in any way other than the political agenda of its government. We saw a large number of threats and lewd attacks against us, a PRC impostor masquerading as a "Hong Kong permanent resident" to personally represent the views of Hong Kongese in order to carry out his highly personal vendetta, and other retaliatory acts against our member. I am not going to call any name here, but we have contacted the Regional Director on related issues and will reserve the right to pursue further actions accordingly. We also would like to thank him for his works.

 

Our position is clear as ever: Project Firmament is an apolitical organization, and with that being said, we will not bow to unwarranted political pressure and censorship attempts. As many members here and I have previously agreed, those kinds of actions have no place in this civilized global community of flight simulation.

 

If you have any further question, you are welcomed to contact us via the links listed in the post.

Edited April 22, 2018 at 04:13 PM by Guest