Craig Lister 1213875 Posted July 13, 2018 at 01:41 AM Posted July 13, 2018 at 01:41 AM (New guys here - 5 flights and a week into VATSIM) I was parked at a gate at an airport, and requested clearance as filed. Reply was, 'Cleared for the XXX departure as filed, RW 01, climb to 4000 and ...'. (My mistake happens now) I took the clearance as, I'm cleared to depart. I thought, that's strange. I haven't even pushed back. But maybe because the airport was quiet.. only me, and no aircraft within 200nm, the controller was just saying, 'Go for it, and climb to 4000'. So I pushed back, taxied to RW 01, and thought, 'Mmm.. this is strange... I feel like I need to report stuff..'. But as I'm new, wasn't sure how. So, I held at the holding point before entering 01, and reported, 'Airport control, my calls sign, at holding point RW01 ... just want to confirm that I am cleared to take off'. The ATC came back with, 'mate, I haven't even given you permission to push back! Anyway, cleared take off, rw01... etc etc'. I felt pretty bad. I'd screwed up. And felt rather embarr[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ed. I think where it all went wrong was 'Cleared for the XXX departure as filed, RW 01, climb to 4000'. To me, that sounds like I am cleared to go to 4000 on the departure. I live and learn, and appologised for the error. I'll try not do that again! Pity the controller didn't point out my error earlier. I'd have (maybe) felt less stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Cochran Posted July 13, 2018 at 04:08 AM Posted July 13, 2018 at 04:08 AM I'm not to familiar with European ATC but from what you've said I [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume you where flying somewhere in that region. When they issue that initial clearance, its just telling you the departure procedure and runway to expect and initial climb out. Once you set all that up in the FMC, you request push clearance, then taxi, then takeoff. A squawk will be issued somewhere around in there but i'm not sure when. Hope this helps. Cody Cochran VATSIM Supervisor c.cochran[at]vatsim.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lister 1213875 Posted July 13, 2018 at 07:01 AM Author Posted July 13, 2018 at 07:01 AM Ah excellent. Thanks. Yeah, well this is Australia so I think it’s European ways. Ok so file, request clearance, do setup and then pushback and all that. Got it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 13, 2018 at 09:09 AM Posted July 13, 2018 at 09:09 AM Rule of thumb: at a controlled airport the only wording that will allow you to actually takeoff is the word "takeoff": "runway XX, cleared for takeoff". This word is reserved exclusively for this phase of flight. "Departure" is used for all other phases of flight when pilots or ATC want to issue any information regarding "takeoff": "expect departure at time XY", "airport of departure", "cleared to destination via ABCDE12G departure, climb altitude/flightlevel XYZ, squawk 1234" (an IFR-clearance may look different in another country). Didn't you learn this on Craig's List? Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antony Radley Posted July 13, 2018 at 09:36 AM Posted July 13, 2018 at 09:36 AM As a kiwi, can confirm aussies are angry Oakland ARTCC Events Coordinator - S-3 oakartcc.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 13, 2018 at 03:14 PM Posted July 13, 2018 at 03:14 PM I thought Aussies share their bedrooms with their sheep and goats? Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran Samuel Cross Posted July 13, 2018 at 06:39 PM Posted July 13, 2018 at 06:39 PM I thought Aussies share their bedrooms with their sheep and goats? I thought sharing your bedroom with a sheep was a Welsh tradition! Kind Regards, Kieran Cross, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 13, 2018 at 07:54 PM Posted July 13, 2018 at 07:54 PM That's for monogamous persons Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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