Question on long range flights crossing the Congos

[Michael Krause 810881]

Hi all!

 

Hopefully someone has some insight into regulations involving overflights of the Brazzaville and Kinshasa Area:

When planning flights from Germany to South Africa (for example Munich to Cape Town) the shortest route includes this portion:

... SEB A403D TUMMO UA403 BZ DCT KSA UA611F VNA UR987F ANVAG ...

 

Since there is no airway connecting BZ (Brazzaville in Congo) and KSA (Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo) but those two fixes are real close I use a direct between the two of them. But is this a valid routing? Are the real routes similar or do you have to take a detour to the east or west to avoid those two countries? From my knowledge there have been many wars in that region so my suggested direct may be illegal...

 

Thanks for any input on that topic!

 

Greets

Micha

[Michael Krause 810881]

Nobody? ...

[Kobi David 817197]

Hi, i am sure Ilan will find the time to answer you about that.

 

 

just something i found, flight plan from EGLL to FACT

MID UA34 SITET UN859 AMB UL152 MAKOX UN860 VLC UP34 HAMRA UA34 MOS UA604 BAY UM608 NY UR981 LAG UR603 STM UA400 VNA UR987 ANVAG R987F WHV W91F ABV UW63 CTV UA405 RIV

 

and from HECA to FACT

HECA-SOLAM-A727-NUBAR-UA727-KTM-UB527-KNM-UA408-BJA-UB527-LUB-UG655-HGV-UQ9-ITREN-UZ3-GE-FACT

[Michael Krause 810881]

Thanks Kobi!

 

Hm.. London-FACT is far enough west (via France/Spain/...) and Cairo-FACT is far enough east so the most direct route doesn't p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] through the area in question...

 

Maybe Ilan knows...

 

Greets

Micha

[Dieter Brugger 810604]

Hi Micha,

 

maybe this page could be of help:

 

http://www.ais-asecna.org/en/index.htm

 

I didn't dig further into it but the page doesn't look too bad.

 

Also I have an original real world route of Swiss Intl. Airlines from December 2003 from LSZH to FAJS. The plan routes: .....UG727 BZ KSA UB733D....

So I think it´s just a DCT from BZ to KSA.

 

Hope this helps.

[Michael Krause 810881]

@Dieter:

That real life route is what I was searching for! So it seems to be legal to fly BZ KSA.

I've already searched the ASECNA AIS but didn't find anything related to that.

 

Thanks a lot!

 

Greets

Micha

[Kobi David 817197]

Hi again,

 

Flying direct from BZ to KSA it's not illegal LOL, but it's not the right way to fly this route, yes, the wars in the area (not on VATSIM)

 

Try this one, bit longer, but it will bring you safly on to FACT

 

TULSI UM736 LIZUM UZ907 VIC UL12 FER UZ902 VALEN UM738 SFM UG727 FARES UM731 DIR UG727 TJR UH455 ARASI IT LIKAD UR526 VNA UR987 ANVAG WHV R987 KEBAT UR987 WY UA405 RIV RIV4B

 

or:

 

UNKE8N UNKEN UL603 OBEDI UL172 VIW UM178 ILB UN737 OST UL44 TURMO UM738 SFM UG727 FARES UM731 DIR UG727 TJR UH455 ARASI IT LIKAD UR526 VNA UR987 ANVAG WHV R987 KEBAT UR987 WY WY3A

 

(thnaks to oren geva, VATIL7)

[Oren Geva 825051]

Michael,

These routes Kobi posted were created bu Jeppesen Flitestar when I imposed the SID and STARS for the end airports, so I can [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ure you these are legal.

If you want to use a different STAR or SID tell me here, and I will find a suitable legal route.

[Evert Zandbergen 848202]

Hallo Michael

 

Overhead africa many parts are uncontrolled FIR's, as a pilot you will have to report your position frequently on the HF radio, this will keep other pilots alert. It's just like unicom.

 

So as far as I know it's not a problem to fly a DCT on that route over congo...though you might want to check their NOTAMS.

 

 

Tschüß Evert

[Tony Kovacs 958372]

I control over FZZA Kinshasa Center from time to time. The answer is yes. There is a direct route between BZ Brazzaville and KSA Kinshasa VORs. Need not worry.

 

Tony.

[Anas Toumi 922910]

Hi Michael ,

 

Like my friend Tony said it's not illegal to fly the BZ -> KSA route but sometimes due to war areas as Kobi stated there. So don't worry while flying there!

 

Regards,

Anas