Daniel Corbe 1168404 Posted November 4, 2018 at 09:53 PM Posted November 4, 2018 at 09:53 PM VATCAR's website for Kingston is broke, so I can't leave feedback there. [MOD - Removed members name] doesn't seem to understand that VFR departures don't require a flight plan or a squawk code unless flight following has been requested. All I was trying to do was depart MWCR and he literally told me he was too busy to clear me for that. It's really not fun spending 30 minutes setting up for a flight only to be told to go pound sand. Hey VATCAR, please teach your controllers about VFR rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Shearman Jr Posted November 4, 2018 at 10:49 PM Posted November 4, 2018 at 10:49 PM Regardless of the status of their site, you probably shouldn't call out individual controllers in a public forum for things you perceive as mistakes. I'm sure you wouldn't want controllers posting publicly about you by name every time you bust an altitude [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ignment or fail to respond to an instruction. Cheers, -R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Geckler Posted November 4, 2018 at 11:09 PM Posted November 4, 2018 at 11:09 PM that VFR departures don't require a flight plan or a squawk code unless flight following has been requested. All I was trying to do was depart MWCR and he literally told me he was too busy to clear me for that. Can you point me to the applicable Grand Cayman regulation where it says that? Ryan Geckler - GK | Former VATUSA3 - Division Training Manager VATSIM Minneapolis ARTCC | FAA Miami ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Black Posted November 5, 2018 at 12:01 AM Posted November 5, 2018 at 12:01 AM You thought it would be a good idea to complain about someone on a public forum? Not smart. Because now, the only person being judged is YOU. Use your head. Oh, here’s your link: https://kingston.vatcar.org/cms/index.php/pilots/controller-feedback So how about doing something wise, and edit your post to remove names? Or better yet, remove the entire post as you can now deal with it the RIGHT way? Joshua Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sweeney Posted November 5, 2018 at 01:34 AM Posted November 5, 2018 at 01:34 AM 5. Procedures for VFR flights within the Cayman Islands TMA 5.1 Provided traffic conditions so permit, ATC clearance for VFR flights will be given under conditions described below: a) A flight plan requesting ATC clearance ... shall be submitted. ... Procedures for VFR flights within Owen Roberts CTR a) A flight plan shall be filed for the flight concerned. b) ATC clearance shall be obtained from the Control Tower Ref: AIP - CAYMAN ISLANDS Mike / 811317 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Edvin Aaro Posted November 5, 2018 at 09:08 AM Posted November 5, 2018 at 09:08 AM Not sure what you are talking about, website is working fine. https://kingston.vatcar.org/cms/index.php/pilots/controller-feedback Mats Edvin AarøAssistant to the Vice President - Supervisors VATSIM General Manager: Member Engagement[email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Smith 1119598 Posted November 6, 2018 at 01:06 PM Posted November 6, 2018 at 01:06 PM step 1) departure airport......... MWCR step 2) arrival airport ...............MWCR step 3) route ............................ VFR Ya think the person will filling out an Oceanic flight plan the way they were complaining. Mark Smith 1119598 Vatsim Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leemar Yarde 1012703 Posted November 6, 2018 at 07:00 PM Posted November 6, 2018 at 07:00 PM VATCARs' apology for what happened to Daniel. Our controllers do know how to control VFR traffic as relates to their individual airspace. In the coming month's we'll ensure the FIRs have up to date, clear and easily accessible pilot information on their websites. Along with any adjustments needed to accommodate the nature of the network. Thanks for the feedback. Leemar Yarde – I3|SUP VATSIM Caribbean Division VATCAR1 – Division Director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Long Posted November 6, 2018 at 07:15 PM Posted November 6, 2018 at 07:15 PM VATCAR's website for Kingston is broke, so I can't leave feedback there. [MOD - Removed members name] doesn't seem to understand that VFR departures don't require a flight plan or a squawk code unless flight following has been requested. All I was trying to do was depart MWCR and he literally told me he was too busy to clear me for that. It's really not fun spending 30 minutes setting up for a flight only to be told to go pound sand. Hey VATCAR, please teach your controllers about VFR rules! Daniel- Thanks for drawing attention to this issue. To cover your grievances in greater detail... [MOD - Removed members name] doesn't seem to understand that VFR departures don't require a flight plan or a squawk code unless flight following has been requested. To begin with...the Cayman Islands and most of the Caribbean for that matter operate very differently from how the FAA operates in the United States. The Cayman Islands requires that a flight plan is filed for VFR departures. The source cited for this is as Mike Sweeney posted from the Cayman Islands AIP... Aeronautical Information Publication (page 52) wrote:5. Procedures for VFR flights within the Cayman Islands TMA 5.1 Provided traffic conditions so permit, ATC clearance for VFR flights will be given under conditions described below: a) A flight plan requesting ATC clearance ... shall be submitted. ... Procedures for VFR flights within Owen Roberts CTR a) A flight plan shall be filed for the flight concerned. b) ATC clearance shall be obtained from the Control Tower As an additional note, these fields also operate as procedural towers. They don't have radar. Also - [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume if you're flying in the Caribbean, you're going to need to file a flight plan. VFR & IFR. The only FAA facility in the Caribbean is the San Juan CERAP. If you'd like some island flying, but FAA style of control, I'd suggest you check out Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. Maybe try hopping over to Juliana while you're at it and get a taste of ICAO. All I was trying to do was depart MWCR and he literally told me he was too busy to clear me for that. We're looking into who you spoke to and the exact details of what unfolded, so if this was indeed handled in the manner you explained here, it'll be corrected. It's really not fun spending 30 minutes setting up for a flight only to be told to go pound sand. My suggestion would be next time to make sure you file a flight plan. It's always helpful to have a flight plan filed from not only a controller point of view but from a pilots side. From a controller side, it helps us to know what you're doing and how to manage the traffic around you. Hey VATCAR, please teach your controllers about VFR rules! Appreciate the feedback, but our guys are quite skilled at handling VFR traffic. If in the future you have any issue with a controller, or questions about our procedures feel free to drop into our TeamSpeak, Discord, check out the website, send an email to any of the VATCAR leadership or ATMs and we would be more than happy to help you learn about Caribbean flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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