Brian Fernandez Posted December 12, 2018 at 04:27 PM Posted December 12, 2018 at 04:27 PM I have flown routes that cross the Atlantic as well as doing a non-real flight between EGLL - PANC which my flight was within the Arctic circle, however I never done these flights before on vatsim yet so... 1. Will I still need oceanic clearance if I'm flying over Greenland / Northern Canada? 2. Similar to the question above, will I need some sort of clearance, like oceanic clearance, to fly within the Arctic circle? I'm planning on doing EGLL to PANC and back on Vatsim soon 3. What would I say to an oceanic controller if he/she has come online and I'm already in the middle of my NAT track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Quigley Posted December 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM Posted December 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM Brian, 1. No, not unless your route takes you through Shanwick Oceanic or Murmansk Oceanic. 2. Normal clearance should suffice. You would be under the successive control of London, Reykjavik, Nuuk, Edmonton and Anchrage FIR's. 3. Just give them your position report. Quig, C3, P1, VATPAC, CZQM (inact), CZQX (ret). 4200+ hrs of "Chaos, Panic & Disorder in your virtual skies!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Speer Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:21 PM Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:21 PM Hello, Reykjavik contains both domestic and oceanic airspace, details can be found here. You will need to obtain oceanic clearance as if not entering Shanwick then you will be entering Reykjavik Oceanic. BGGL_FSS (Søndrestrøm Information) only controls FL195 and below. Phillip VATSIM UK Divisional Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Meese Posted December 14, 2018 at 12:33 AM Posted December 14, 2018 at 12:33 AM Brian, 1. No, not unless your route takes you through Shanwick Oceanic or Murmansk Oceanic. 2. Normal clearance should suffice. You would be under the successive control of London, Reykjavik, Nuuk, Edmonton and Anchrage FIR's. An oceanic clearance is required for entry into any of the FIRs ENOB, BIRD, and BGGL. The only way to fly between the UK and Alaska and not obtain a oceanic clearance from a NAT-unit is to go via Murmansk, a m[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ive detour (see pic). All the NAT units have slight variations in oceanic procedures though, and since you're likely to end up entering the NAT OCA through BIRD, I suggest you go with Phillip's advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Quigley Posted December 14, 2018 at 04:23 AM Posted December 14, 2018 at 04:23 AM Now that I did NOT know! 1.3 The Oceanic Clearance As all of the Reykjavik CTA is technically cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ified as oceanic airspace, all pilots entering and departing Iceland MUST request oceanic clearance. Quig, C3, P1, VATPAC, CZQM (inact), CZQX (ret). 4200+ hrs of "Chaos, Panic & Disorder in your virtual skies!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Bartosz Posted December 15, 2018 at 07:14 AM Posted December 15, 2018 at 07:14 AM NAT High Level Airspace is from FL285-FL420 in this region Check the Transport Canada AIM, there is an entire NAT section. Also includes stuff on polar ops. https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/docomeents/ca-publications/AIM_2018-2_EN-ACCESS.pdf New York ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Meese Posted December 18, 2018 at 12:53 AM Posted December 18, 2018 at 12:53 AM And that picture is just the MNPS area (now renamed HLA for High Level Airspace), a section of airspace which demands certain navigation capabilities. Below that it's still controlled airspace which requires clearances to enter. The picture doesn't even show ENOB which, whilst having not too many routes through it per day compared to the other NAT FIRs, still is a giant slab of Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A airspace from FL195 up. Meanwhile all of EGGX is Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] A FL055 up if memory serves. Check out ICAO doc 007 for the rulebook on NAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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