Pilots disconnecting when receiving contact me.

[Arthur Melton]

Well Johnny boy, I will admit I am an FS2004 and FSInn user .Why should I get the modern Flight sims when FS9/FSinn has every thing anyone would want including ATC which works well. Also why would I want to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery. And if, if, vatsim boffins get a new comms system working that's when you can get rid of me and close me down with pleasure .Art

[Johnny Coughlan]

I will admit I am an FS2004 and FSInn user

 

No need to, simple forum search on past posts indicate that.

 

Why should I get the modern Flight sims when FS9/FSinn has every thing anyone would want including ATC which works well.

 

Nobody is forcing you to get a 'Modern' flight sim, you're trying to force the community to keep the status quo because it suits your personal needs.

 

Also why would I want to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery.

 

Nobody is forcing you to purchase new aircraft with FMC's and probably new scenery.

 

And if, if, vatsim boffins

 

You mean the hard working volunteers who give up ther personal time to help make this hobby progress to the benefit of the community as a whole?.

 

if, if, vatsim boffins get a new comms system working

 

It is working, thanks to the skill, hard work and dedication of the developmet team volunteers, its been tested and p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ed by all accounts.

 

that's when you can get rid of me and close me down with pleasure .Art

 

Nobody is getting rid of you, if you want to stick with an unsupported flight simulator and pilot client you're just going to fizzly away naurally into that good night.

 

Take care Arthur.

[Arthur Melton]

OK, I will fizzly

[George Peppard]

Going back to the original topic of this thread...

 

Perhaps VRC is different - the default contact me message for us on EuroScope is "Please contact me on xxx.xx". This seems perfectly welcoming to me. As this thread has more than highlighted, there will always be pilots for which observer mode is more suited - for the rest of us, controllers are there to control, and most pilots seem perfectly pleased with that.

 

After all, we don't prefix every turn or descent with "please", do we

[Mark Taylor 1268798]

My take is this...

 

Vatsim network is one big sand box for both controllers and pilots. Controllers need pilots to play the game. Pilots don't need controllers. By disconnecting immediately after receiving a contact request the pilot is saying "I don't want to play with you..."

 

Hey, we want to play too!

[Tim Simpson]

Sometimes a pilot is only on the network because it's recommended, or required by a VA. I'll admit, there are times when I logon, but don't really want the ATC, but just want to monitor my progress on one of the sites like VATTASTIC. It's easy to get around the whole ATC thing though. Just tell the controller you need to step away from the mic for 30 minutes, and that's that. By the time you "come back", you're out of most ATC sectors.

[Robert Shearman Jr]

The 30 minute rule applies in non-controlled space. In controlled space you need either to actively monitor for ATC instruction, or disconnect.

[Tim Simpson]

The 30 minute rule applies in non-controlled space. In controlled space you need either to actively monitor for ATC instruction, or disconnect.

 

You are correct about the uncontrolled airspace, no permission is required.

 

In controlled airspace, just tell the controller you need to step away for 30 minutes, and that's it. Very few will fight that request, and deny it. It's how you present it to them. In other words, tell them (ATC) what you are going to do (leave comms for 30 minutes), instead of asking. Presenting it that way primes them to accept what you want, and very few will ever push back in my experience of doing this. Just a matter of using "human expectations and psychology" as a lever to get what you want from the controller.

[Andreas Fuchs]

No Tim, this is not the way it is supposed to be done!

 

I for my part normally approve pilots being away from their computers, but they have to be back before the end of my sector.

 

If you are not interested in flying with ATC, then kindly disconnect from VATSIM or don't connect to it at all, we don't need pilots performing flights like this, they are completely useless, if not insulting to controllers. I don't care whether your VA asks for it or whether you use VATSIM to follow your flight progress. There are programs on the market that do the same.

[Kirk Christie]

Sometimes a pilot is only on the network because it's recommended, or required by a VA.

 

While it is good to see a VA encouraging members to fly on the networks, you should be flying on the network because you want to experience what the network has to offer, not because your VA requires you to. VA's that have this requirement need to rethink their strategies, and members that join VA's with these requirements and fly solely on the network because of it, need to re think their choice in VA, because obviously, the for the most part is not meeting the desires off that member.

[Joshua Jenkins]

While it is good to see a VA encouraging members to fly on the networks, you should be flying on the network because you want to experience what the network has to offer, not because your VA requires you to. VA's that have this requirement need to rethink their strategies, and members that join VA's with these requirements and fly solely on the network because of it, need to re think their choice in VA, because obviously, the for the most part is not meeting the desires off that member.

 

95% agree. This issue of pilots disconnecting should in no way be blamed on the VA’s. As you said it’s up to each pilot to evaluate his needs and act accordingly. There are plenty of VA’s that have the option for offline flying and if a pilot doesn’t want to fly online they should go with those. There is no need for VA’s to “rethink their strategies.” They target a specific audience. If others want to join the VA they need to follow the rules and regs laid out by the VA.

[Tim Simpson]

Peeps....no where did I say it was REQUIRED. LOL. I said it was encouraged. It's the pilots choice to fly on or offline, but the VA asks that you do it online. Credit for the flight has no bearing with regard to the online/offline status of the flight.

 

There are a lot of control freaks on this board...Hahahahahaha. You should do this, you shouldn't do that, this is the way it has to be done.....

 

It's breakfast time as I write this. Anyone want to tell me what I should eat for breakfast?

[Andreas Fuchs]

Hey Tim,

 

yes, VATSIM can and will tell you what to do and what not to do. We all abide to these rules to keep up the spirit of VATSIM, it is the basis of this community. End of discussion about this, please.

[Ben Stevenson]

There are very few things that upset/sadden me more than looking on VATspy, seeing there are a bunch of arrivals heading towards my airport, i log in to provide arrival service and they all disconnect. Some right away, some once they get close and get that contact me message. Also watching a pilot pop up on the ground only to disappear, then show up again just after taking off or once outside my airspace is just aggravating. Some try to claim their internet went down or they got disconnected, nice try, i know you disconnected on purpose. I don't get it either, why fly on VATSIM if you're not going to interact with ATC.

[Kirk Christie]

Peeps....no where did I say it was REQUIRED. LOL.

 

Sometimes a pilot is only on the network because it's recommended, or required by a VA

 

Looks like you did say it was required.... LOL

 

VA's that have this requirement need to rethink their strategies,

 

This is a non specific statement, it is not directed at any one in particular, or any VA in particular, this should be obvious due to the fact that no names, or VA's have been mentioned in this generic statement, It has been known that there are VA's out there that have this requirement.

 

tell them (ATC) what you are going to do (leave comms for 30 minutes), instead of asking. Presenting it that way primes them to accept what you want,

 

And ATC has every right to tell you to log off, as you said, telling you, instead of asking you, primes you to accept what they want.

 

yes, VATSIM can and will tell you what to do and what not to do

Why Tim? because its their network, they built it, they run it, you are just a user, and you agreed when you signed up to use the network, the way that they want you to. Just like how the States build the roads, and then tell you how to use them, and if you dont follow their rules, they take away your right to use the roads.

[Mats Edvin Aaro]

Kirk has some good points.

I have encountered this before. Pilots leaving their connection unattended, gets walloped only to return and pull the "I'm entitled to 30 minutes away" card.

 

Let's just get some facts on the table:

 

Every time you log on, you agree to VATSIM's CoC, CoR, UA and all the other fancy-worded docomeents. Flying on VATSIM is not a right, it's a privilege. If you do not accept to abide by these rules, you are no longer in a good standing on the network, and VATSIM will ultimately revoke your permission to use it. Of course do not take me wrong, it is much more complicated than that, but at the same time - it's that simple.

 

No user, no matter who you are or what you are doing, is allowed to be away from the connection for more than 30 minutes. However, you can s[Mod - lovely stuff] that rule in controlled airspace, as it is overridden by B3(a), which says that it is the pilot's responsibility to respond to ATC in timely manner.

 

The practice is for pilots to ask ATC if they can go AFK. The ATC has the right to grant or deny this request, but he is not allowed to tell anyone to disconnect. Only supervisors and administrators have this right, with good reason.

I haven't seen this much and it is not a big problem network-wise, but just call a supervisor and he will [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ist you.

 

Sorry for sidetracking the post, just wanted to get some facts on the table.