Vatsim Search & Rescue Mission

[Kris Greenough 974599]

Anyone interested in doing a serach and rescue mission witht he help of ATC? I'm not sure how this would go, but lets say a DC-3 played by somebody does an emergency landing somewhere out in NV. Maybe the plane has radio failure or something in the process? The point of the excersize is that is only a minimal amount of information available and people have to be rescued so this means helicopters people.

 

Sounds like it could be a fun event so long as people don't ues the visual tool to see where the person is. Anyone interested?

 

- kris

[Matthew Koscielski 953572]

Kris sounds like a good plan. We'd have to check the rules first on emergency procedures and the Vatsim guidelines on such. I'll check with my Events Coord at ZMP and see what he thinks and check on the rules for emergencies. Cause I do know there are some in effect because of past real airline disasters (ie: Sept 11). but I do like the idea, send me an email through ZMP'z site www.zmp.vatusa.org and i'll see what we can do.

[Jim Johnson 814050]

From a Supervisor's perspective, as long as you aren't replicating a real crash and as long as the ARTCC involved is ok with it I don't see a problem.

[Brandon Grchan 925585]

Join a Spec Ops VA

[Matthew Koscielski 953572]

From a Supervisor's perspective, as long as you aren't replicating a real crash and as long as the ARTCC involved is ok with it I don't see a problem.

Jim bascly answered the question I was looking into. Thanks Jim

[Kris Greenough 974599]

Nothing like a real crash. Just a plane touches down in the middle of nowhere and a team effort ensues to find and rescue it.

 

- Kris

[Chris Gauthier 895085]

If the Civil Air Patrol (in real life) was doing this, we would call it a SAREX.

 

I did it just last night. I was the Mission Observer on a training flight looking for a training ELT (121.775 MHz is the proper training freq now) that one of our ground teams placed for us to locate.

 

We got within about a 1/4 mile

[Mat Lawrence 965555]

As long as nobody cheats with ServInfo to see where the person is

[Carlos Perea 934840]

I'm willing to fly the downed aircraft.

[Ross Carlson]

As long as nobody cheats with ServInfo to see where the person is

 

An interesting way to do this would be to have someone create a simple scenery file which has an aircraft on the ground somewhere. Then you could distribute the scenery to anyone involved in the SAREX. That way the aircraft wouldn't show up on radar or on servinfo.

[Chris Gauthier 895085]

Hm... how do you simulate DF'ing an ELT? Yes, I know Abacus has a CAP airplane and I wish it was a different vendor that made better airplanes, but oh well. I'm told that the Abacus CAP plane has a DF unit in it, but, again... in VATSIM how do you DF someone else?

 

Chris--I so much like RW flying for CAP better

[Ross Carlson]

Hm... how do you simulate DF'ing an ELT? Yes, I know Abacus has a CAP airplane and I wish it was a different vendor that made better airplanes, but oh well. I'm told that the Abacus CAP plane has a DF unit in it, but, again... in VATSIM how do you DF someone else?

 

Good question ... if you used the scenery idea, you could always put an NDB at the crash site, and use the ADF for direction finding.

 

Chris--I so much like RW flying for CAP better

 

I would imagine any real world pilot would say that real world flying is better than virtual.

 

Speaking of SAREX ... I need to be up in 8 hours to for a CAP training mission ... taking the gl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] cockpit 182 ... should be a fun one! Time for some sleep.

[Jim Albertson 812206]

At the risk of sounding simpleminded, why not create a small scenery file, then do a grid search. You can either do a full grid or quarter grids. Then call in a helo to rescue the downed crew using only the coordinates from the GPS unit in the C-172. The helo would have to use the coordinates to find the helo , perhaps with a High Bird to guide him in.

[Kris Greenough 974599]

This really sounds like a fun operation. I think the scenery file is probably the way to go down the road but for now and for the sake of simplicity a vouleteer to play a downed pilot is the way to go. Next question:

 

1) Where should we do this?

2) We should probably use the likes of ventrillio to communicate unless ATC is cool with us using a frequency.

3) When? This could convievably take a very long time. So plan accordingly.

4) What should the downed aircraft be? I'm thinking the voulenteer should get to pick and file his own flight plan.

 

Lets do this. Sound like fun.

 

- Kris

[Brian Beach 915973]

This really sounds like a fun operation. I think the scenery file is probably the way to go down the road but for now and for the sake of simplicity a vouleteer to play a downed pilot is the way to go. Next question:

 

1) Where should we do this?

2) We should probably use the likes of ventrillio to communicate unless ATC is cool with us using a frequency.

3) When? This could convievably take a very long time. So plan accordingly.

4) What should the downed aircraft be? I'm thinking the voulenteer should get to pick and file his own flight plan.

 

Lets do this. Sound like fun.

 

- Kris

 

1) KZOB Cleveland ARTCC (insert shameless plug here)

2) Either Ventrillo or Teamspeak would work.

3) Schedule it with an ATC (I am available until the 23rd).

4) A Cirrus SR22 after deploying a parachute. That would make it most realistic.

[Matthew Koscielski 953572]

I know many a ARTCC's have great area's for a down a/c. ZMP (my plug) has many a forests and lakes in northern Minesota. Colorado, the mountains. Death Valley, the list is endless. As for a freq. to use. Probably [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ign an temp emergency one. Or use guard. I know i wouldn't have a problem as an ATCer with using a freq. Just need to plan where to host it.

[Chris Gauthier 895085]

Or use guard.

 

One word: Don't.

 

Use of 121.5 is STRONGLY discouraged on VATSIM because any traffic on that frequency is an automatic broadcast to all users, if I understand the technical side correctly.

[Chris Striker 969621]

Using guard (121.500) would be a bad idea. the alternate could be using teh CAp practice beacon freq of 121.775 . the other problem would be the banners above planes so we know whos who. i know these can be removed but again we could have a person leave it on as in cheating. another idea would be have everyone intrested in that kind of situation, join a CAP organiziation on VATSIM, and have a MOU like the Virtual military forces and keep it under civilian government side under the direction of the vUSAF as in real life. or maybe create a SUB SERVER on VATSIM just for this type of thing and for SAREXs and actual SAR missions.

[Kyle Ramsey 810181]

You guys are working very hard to do what we do almost every day. We are 100% VATSIM compliant, which is very important so that no rules are broken on VATSIM.

 

www.vuscg.org

 

Kyle Ramsey

vCommandant, VUSCG

www.vuscg.org

[Ross Carlson]

Kyle, does the vUSCG do inland SAR?

[Kyle Ramsey 810181]

Yes, some, usually near coastal areas and mountain ranges. We also fly inland SAR for other VSOA groups during joint exercises.

 

Kyle Ramsey

vCommandant, VUSCG

www.vuscg.org

[Chris Gauthier 895085]

join a CAP organiziation on VATSIM

 

This is highly unlikely because CAP has been publicly against such an organization to date. For more info on that, check the VA/SOA forums around. It's an unfortunate thing, but that's the way it is.

Edited September 18, 2006 at 06:04 AM by Guest

[Ross Carlson]

Personally I think someone should create a new CAP-like organization for VATSIM. Use a unique name, unique paint schemes for the aircraft, etc., but still use the same procedures.

[Chris Gauthier 895085]

Ross,

 

I wish CAP would just get off their high-horses and let a group establish a respectable vCAP. I completely understand the hesitation by the National Board, but I'd rather see them do something like this that could be used as a recruiting tool than to screw around (again) with the "new" corporate uniform. Jeez... they amended it yet again very recently. Since I don't meet the AF weight standards, it's not such a big deal to me, though.

 

Chris