Denis Frechette 904973 Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:18 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:18 AM IFR Flight Tampa to Toronto, filed a dep Pie, but was cleared with a dep Winco, 125 nm south ldl and back to my filed plan at lal54, Is it usual, considering the amount of fuel , and time , Airbus 321 137 p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]engers. Am a kind of newbie with ATC, Need infos ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Vainer 929287 Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:45 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:45 AM I'm kind of confused on what your asking. Alex "AV" Vainer C1 Los Angeles ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Faudree 821145 Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:48 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:48 AM Something about a re-route I think. Or not being able to fly the route that he tediously programmed in his GPS before calling for route clearance. Number one rule of thumb, don't waste your time setting up your GPS or FMS before you get your route clearance. Find the route, file it, call for clearance and THEN program it. My CRJ sim instructor made that a number one point during my flight training course. He got me good the very first time I hit that EXEC button before picking up the mic to call delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:57 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 01:57 AM From what I can see, he filed one SID, but was [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned another? I'm still confused though Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Mosier 902482 Posted October 1, 2006 at 02:30 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 02:30 AM I think what he is asking is why when tampa to toronto is a north route, he was sent 125nm south of tampa then north again. Seems like a long way around tampa. total distance would be 250 nm, that would use up some fuel he may need at the other end. Dont know why atc would do that, new controler perhaps? Captain Edward Mosier (1287) "just an earthbound misfit am I..." www.globecargova.org Polar and Atlas Freight ops RFP747-200 & PMDG 747-400 Now with DHL freight division using Flight-1 ATR, and 727, and LevelD 767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Seeley Posted October 1, 2006 at 05:52 AM Posted October 1, 2006 at 05:52 AM Denis, on a departure from KTPA you should never be [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned WINCO since that is a departure gate for KMIA and, as you indicate, would take you well off your route to any northern destination such as CYYZ. If that routing was [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned to you by a ZMA controller it is unacceptable and you have our apologies. If you could contact me directly I will make every effort to figure out why this happened. Best regards, -- Tom Seeley Air Traffic Manager Miami ARTCC [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Perea 934840 Posted October 1, 2006 at 06:24 PM Posted October 1, 2006 at 06:24 PM Well, considering the vaugeness of his post, perhaps the controller misunderstood his wishes while he was flying and [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned him to the WINCO intersection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Blanco 852844 Posted October 1, 2006 at 06:52 PM Posted October 1, 2006 at 06:52 PM You can always refuse the departure given to you if you're unable to fly it or you think it takes you the longer way around. Possible reasons for giving you a south departure is due to the traffic in the area. Also, the controller should always ask you first if you would like to accept that departure, apart from the DP you filed before actually clearing you for that departure. Again, if you're not comfortable with the DP, just say "unable the DP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Moulton Posted October 1, 2006 at 07:39 PM Posted October 1, 2006 at 07:39 PM Sounds to me like the controller was confused and "thought" you were in Miami, hence the clearance via WINCO. Fly Safe! Have Fun! Craig Moulton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Blocki 933043 Posted October 10, 2006 at 02:11 AM Posted October 10, 2006 at 02:11 AM Shouldn't have happened by that controller, apologies from ZMA. Peter Blocki Deputy Air Traffic Manager Miami ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Lopez 883899 Posted October 14, 2006 at 04:35 PM Posted October 14, 2006 at 04:35 PM From what I can see, he filed one SID, but was [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned another? I'm still confused though not simple!! =P The thoughts and/or words or any general things that are expressed above are not a direct reflection of the views of the actual poster myself, Rey Lopez, and should be disregarded and left unread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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