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How do I get a IFR clearance at an uncontrolled airport.

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Sorry if this a noob question but I couldn't find it in the pilot resource center. The title says it all: how do I get an IFR clearance at an unstaffed airport? Sometimes I want to fly out of an unstaffed airport to a staffed one on vatsim, but how do I get my clearance?

Thanks for any help in advanced.

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If there is no controller locally or above the airport that you are departing from then you obviously can't get an IFR clearance from anyone. File your flightplan as usual, announce your taxi and take-off intentions on Unicom (122.800) and depart while keeping an eye out for traffic. Enjoy your flight!

 


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I really recommend this video to learn about phraseology in uncontrolled airspace. 🙂 He has plenty of other good VATSIM tutorials as well!

 

 


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Depends on the situation.

If you're flying out of an airport that doesn't have any ATC coverage at all (i.e., none of the positions above it, up to and including CTR, are staffed), then you're essentially operating in an unrealistic situation, and you have to "play pretend" - that is, you fly as if you had been cleared by ATC, and use UNICOM to announce your intentions and coordinate with other pilots. When you reach controlled airspace, you call up ATC as if you had been handed over.

If you're flying out of an airport for which top-down coverage is staffed, you call the closest controller up the top-down chain. At their discretion, what you will be simulating here is either that the controller also controls all the positions of your departure airfield; in this case, they will clear you before departure, just like a local DEL controller would. Or you're simulating an untowered airport inside/below controlled airspace; in this case, they will ask you to take off on your own, and call them up for your IFR clearance once airborne. Which one it is is up to the controller; some will however explicitly mention in their description which airfields they intend to actively cover.


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35 minutes ago, Tobias Dammers said:

Or you're simulating an untowered airport inside/below controlled airspace; in this case, they will ask you to take off on your own, and call them up for your IFR clearance once airborne.

Departing VFR and then obtaining an IFR clearance is one option, if you're in VMC.  If in IMC, oftentimes you'd actually get your clearance on the ground, but then switch to 122.8 for taxi and takeoff, then fly the instrument departure and recontact the controller once airborne.  In the real world you'd probably get that initial clearance on the ground by phone, but on VATSIM it'd just be over the APP/DEP or Center frequency.


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There aren't any stupid questions. 

 

All IFR clearances really are the same, but it's the phraseology that differs. 

You'd simply call up the position above you (and if you are in doubt of who it would be just call a position you think it might be) and go "callsign request IFR clearance/airways clearance on the ground at airport name".

This should cover you 🙂 


Tristan Garratt

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On 4/16/2020 at 10:14 AM, Tristan Garratt said:

There aren't any stupid questions. 

 

All IFR clearances really are the same, but it's the phraseology that differs. 

You'd simply call up the position above you (and if you are in doubt of who it would be just call a position you think it might be) and go "callsign request IFR clearance/airways clearance on the ground at airport name".

This should cover you 🙂 

This is good advice for IFR departure from untowered airfield. 
 

The proper phraseology in Australia at least (example for Toowoomba, in the real world you would transmit on two frequencies😞

Pilot: Toowoomba Traffic and Brisbane Centre, [callsign for VHTWB] TWB, IFR, Cessna 172, 4 POB, Taxis runway 11. Toowoomba Traffic. 

Brisbane Centre: TWB, [traffic info e.g.] No reported traffic, squawk XXXX

Pilot [center freq only]: No reported traffic, squawk XXXX, TWB

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1 hour ago, Joel Richters 891193 said:

This is good advice for IFR departure from untowered airfield. 
 

The proper phraseology in Australia at least (example for Toowoomba, in the real world you would transmit on two frequencies😞

Pilot: Toowoomba Traffic and Brisbane Centre, [callsign for VHTWB] TWB, IFR, Cessna 172, 4 POB, Taxis runway 11. Toowoomba Traffic. 

Brisbane Centre: TWB, [traffic info e.g.] No reported traffic, squawk XXXX

Pilot [center freq only]: No reported traffic, squawk XXXX, TWB

Absolutely, my mistake.

I should have remembered that. I guess it just depends on the situation, If I were to call for IFR out of Bankstown after towerclosed, I'd call sydney centre rather than sydney approach or melbourne centre. 


Tristan Garratt

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