Hendrik-Jan Monshouwer 981 Posted October 3, 2006 at 04:00 PM Posted October 3, 2006 at 04:00 PM Pilotos, tripulação e p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ageiros da GOL 737-700 fique com Deus. Depois de ter me viciado no FS2004 e ter participado do vatsim online... fico admirado dos pilotos na vida real... não ah margem de erro nã ah nada mais temeroso du que p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ar por um accidente areao Fico indignado em pensar que sempre a primeira conclusção da mÃdia e erro de piloto... grr%$#$#@@ e nem se for erro de piloto... putz de qualquer jeito.. a familia mereci condecorações postumas de bravura e não possiveis punições... Agora... TCAS... 4 pilotos ... planos de voo.. 2 aviões de ultima geração... COLLIDEM ? nem tentando..num simulador eu consigo collidir com um outro avião... oque voces acham que pode ter acontecido... eu acho.. falha estrutural seguido de despresurização.. pilot tenta decer repentinamnete ate 10.000 para ter oxigenio... dai o choque entre os 2 aviões... .... Flight plans, 4 pilots, emtpy skies. brand new aircraft....??? Suggestions on what could have gone wrong with GOL 737-700 x Embraer Jet in september 2006 Isnt it impossible for 2 jets with normal functions to collide in mid air like that ?? whats your thoughts..? .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Bergenholz 958090 Posted October 28, 2006 at 06:17 AM Posted October 28, 2006 at 06:17 AM The GOL aircraft did not turn on the collision alert ON and the smallere aircraft did not have that equipment.This is what happens when pilots think they are better than there cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Pinto 964946 Posted October 28, 2006 at 09:19 PM Posted October 28, 2006 at 09:19 PM Hey Dan, Where did u hear that story from? I know people inside Brazilian Air force and until all the results don´t come back from Canada, the case still open! Cheers! ________________________________________ Bruno Pinto VATME - OOMM - C3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Bergenholz 958090 Posted October 29, 2006 at 08:47 AM Posted October 29, 2006 at 08:47 AM It was in the news here in Denmark... Haven´t there been anything about the avoide colission equipment was off in the Brasilian news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Pinto 964946 Posted October 29, 2006 at 11:39 PM Posted October 29, 2006 at 11:39 PM Yes, it was the Legacy problem(Not confirmed yet) Cheers, ________________________________________ Bruno Pinto VATME - OOMM - C3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilherme Araujo 985425 Posted June 5, 2007 at 12:02 AM Posted June 5, 2007 at 12:02 AM It was Legacy who was flying with the TCAS turn off (CONFIRMED) GOL aircraft was not with the TCAS turned off, it was tuned ON. The flight plan from Legacy was on FL370, crossing BRS VOR descend to FL360 and after return to FL370. But the problem was: he did not descend to 360 he maintain the FL370 crashing with the Boeing! The ATC did not see they both in the same FL because Legacy's TCAS was turned off, and because the ATC's was changing places. BUT ATENTION! The investigations did not finished yet, so there are a lot of thing to see! June 10th, 2007 at 20:00pm on Discovery Chanel Brasil - "Crashing over amazon" (Only in Brazil, i do not now when it will show on USA) Guilherme Mendes Araujo - SBBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hudson 951027 Posted June 5, 2007 at 01:19 AM Posted June 5, 2007 at 01:19 AM No, TCAS can be off, the controller should have saw this. To are going at each other, you should Double Check, and they were same FL NY T R A C O N A R T C C. JFK ISP LGA EWR PHL... NY Instructor I1 ZNY Lead Event Coordinator Braniff International Virtual Airways CEO braniffva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilherme Araujo 985425 Posted June 5, 2007 at 01:37 AM Posted June 5, 2007 at 01:37 AM Sorry but it's diffucult to tell you all the details. The investigation did not finished yet, like I said. But there are something there are sure! They were ate the same FL (CONFIRMED) the reasond to crash The Legacy was with the TCAS turned off, and it were airbone, It is forbiden flight without TCAS. (CONFIRMED) So, here is the problem, the controller. The Legacy was with SBBS_CTR, and de Boeing with SBAZ_CTR, they both ready to change CTR (Legacy going to SBAZ_CTR, and Boenig going to SBBS_CTR). The SBBS_CTR have lost communications with Legacy some minutes before crash. At this time SBBS was changing controllers, so the controller before should told to the another controller about the Legacy's TCAS OFF, and he don't! Actualy, four controllers is going to court, and both Legacy's pilots. Here in Brazil we have a lot of discuss in ATC vs Air Force Comand. ATC tells their softeweres and computers heve a lot of problems. Some times aircrafts disapear on radar screen. But the Air Force Comand sais NO! So we can't know trully who was falt. In my opinion everybody have participated with a little pieace of guilty (Controllers and Pilots) Guilherme Mendes Araujo - SBBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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