Russell West Posted July 20, 2020 at 03:09 PM Posted July 20, 2020 at 03:09 PM Simple question. I currently don't have any planes that have built in FMS / CDU. Do many people on Vatsim handfly the SIDs / STARs? If not, what's the alternative? Thanks, Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 20, 2020 at 08:52 PM Posted July 20, 2020 at 08:52 PM Hi Russell, what SIM are you using? Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Christie Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:10 AM You can hand fly them if you can reference the way points, I did this back before I got my first FMS equipped aircraft. You can also advise you are not SID/STAR capable and request the controller vector you. Kirk Christie - VATPAC C3 VATPAC Undercover ATC Agent Worldflight Perth 737-800 Crew Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Koranteng Posted July 21, 2020 at 08:57 AM Posted July 21, 2020 at 08:57 AM I also suggest you note that you do not have FMC in your aircraft on the remarks section of your flightplan. Something like "NO FMC" would do so the controllers are aware beforehand. 🙂 Also, as Krik said, The controller would vector you, so you wont be needing to handfly the whole SID/STAR. P.S. for flights, I recommend planning through Simbrief or PFPX and exporting the routes to your flight simulator. Saves a lot of time by exporting the route file to the sim. (Which i'm sure you do right?) John KVATSIM Membership Department - Data Auditing[email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Shearman Jr Posted July 21, 2020 at 09:20 PM Posted July 21, 2020 at 09:20 PM You don't need an FMC to fly a SID or a STAR. You can fly a non-RNAV SID or STAR simply by tuning the appropriate VORs in your NAV radios and setting the prescribed courses in your OBS / HSI. You don't need to "hand-fly" them, either -- your autopilot should have a VOR/LOC mode which will track that radial out for you. Vertical navigation is a bit more complex but if you use a general rule of starting your descent 3 miles prior to the crossing restriction for every 1,000 feet you need to lose to get there, it should work out okay. (I use a bit more of a conservative ratio of 3.5 miles, myself, but that's just me.) Admittedly, non-RNAV SIDs and STARs can be a lot harder to find -- but they're still out there, most places. Cheers, -R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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