Marc Sieffert Posted September 25, 2020 at 02:49 PM Posted September 25, 2020 at 02:49 PM Hi, yesterday when taking off from Kota Kinabalu I got the ATC instruction " expect Kinabalu radar 2 instructions". Is radar 2 a special kind of radar departure? I heard in a video of radar 5 vectoring... What is the signification of these numbers? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hannant Posted September 25, 2020 at 04:26 PM Posted September 25, 2020 at 04:26 PM (edited) Radar 2 Departure: https://aip.caam.gov.my/aip/eAIP/2020-08-13/graphics/143520.pdf Basically, you'll be assigned headings and levels with your departure clearance as per the chart Edited September 25, 2020 at 04:27 PM by Trevor Hannant 1 Trevor Hannant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Sieffert Posted September 25, 2020 at 05:04 PM Author Posted September 25, 2020 at 05:04 PM Thanks a lot for this chart! That explains it! Is there also a radar 1 departure in your charts? (Sorry but I do not have this set of charts...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hannant Posted September 25, 2020 at 05:15 PM Posted September 25, 2020 at 05:15 PM Current charts for Malaysia can be found here: https://aip.caam.gov.my/aip/eAIP/2020-09-10/html/index-en-MS.html Can find all the Aerodrome charts in Section 3. I don't see one specifically for Radar 1 but then it doesn't necessarily follow that they're in sequential order - the numbering could be down to various different reasons... 1 Trevor Hannant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amos Ng Posted September 26, 2020 at 09:24 AM Posted September 26, 2020 at 09:24 AM Hello! I was probably the Radar Controller on Approach that day :P. Although there are published charts on SID for the airport, the procedure in real life for the airport is for all departures to be radar-based instead. I'm not sure why but my best guess is due to the MSA, and mountains to the right side of the airport. So we usually for departures to the east, we will give pilot a vector to the west first, then to the south, and once they gain enough altitude, we give the pilot another vector, or a direct to a waypoint. As to why Radar One is not found, it's been phased out, as the MSA for the airport had changed: https://aip.caam.gov.my/aip pdf new/AIP SUPP/AIPSUPP 201202.pdf Hope this answer's your question! If you are not sure about radar departure, do always clarify with the controller first :). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted September 26, 2020 at 09:38 AM Posted September 26, 2020 at 09:38 AM Those digits just indicate the latest revision number of procedures. 1 Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestley Shim Posted September 26, 2020 at 02:11 PM Posted September 26, 2020 at 02:11 PM Hello Marc! A pleasure that you've chosen to fly in our airspace! :) Some airports in Malaysia use Standard Radar Departures (SRD) in place of the usual SIDs. This can be associated with established local procedures published in the unit's Unit Of Instruction or the region's Manual of Air Traffic Services. Personally, I love it as it offers controllers greater flexibility in terms of handling departures. The heading assignment and the initial climb altitude will usually be given together with the ATC clearance prior to push and/or start. As for the naming convention, Andreas is correct :) the numbering will change once the departure procedure has been revised or if it has seen any changes. Some notable airports that use the SRD in Malaysia are: WBKK (Kota Kinabalu) WBGR (Miri) WBGG (Kuching) WMSA (Subang) just to name a few. However we realise that not all pilots are familiar with this so we will usually send a link of the chart via PM or explain it to them via PM. Hope you had a good experience in Kinabalu and we look forward to seeing you again in our neck of the woods 😄 1 Prestley Shim Training Director, VATSIM Malaysia vACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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