Stefan Enzmann Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:21 PM Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:21 PM HI Friends I am new to Europe and I can't find information in regards to Airspace altitudes; i was trying to do a flight out of munich and EDDM was uncontrolled, but EDMM had CTR controlled, so i tried to make contact on airborne, but was told by ATC on 133.225 for EDDM CTR that i was not in his airspace.... could somebody point out where i find the information on what Airspace starts at what altitudes.... much appreciated cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM In simple words: the airspace of EDMM consists of several sectors and not all of them do cover the area of EDDM/Munich airport. For German airports you can search for the airport in question at https://vatsim-germany.org/pilots/aerodromes and then scroll down to find out about the CTR-stations that are responsible for this airport. If you are not sure, call up the ATC anyway and they will let you know whether you'll need to depart on UNICOM or if they are going to provide you with service. As CTR also controls airspace "top down" during the absence of local services such as APP, TWR, GND and DEL, you better find out before making your first movement on the ground. 1 Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Enzmann Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:59 PM Author Posted November 13, 2020 at 10:59 PM Danke Andreas that is helpful. I get it now. have you ever seen a visual depiction of those airspaces with Vatsim ? Vatspy, Vattastic etc, only show the general area, that's why i was confused! fly safe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Christie Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:21 AM Posted November 14, 2020 at 12:21 AM https://github.com/vatsimnetwork/vatspy-data-project 1 Kirk Christie - VATPAC C3 VATPAC Undercover ATC Agent Worldflight Perth 737-800 Crew Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:44 AM Posted November 14, 2020 at 10:44 AM EDMM have revised their sectorization this year, but there's no updated airspace data available for Vatspy or Qutescoop yet, still waiting for those guys to create and upload it. Until then they will have to live with pilots calling up to find out about their status. 11 hours ago, Stefan Enzmann said: have you ever seen a visual depiction of those airspaces with Vatsim ? Vatspy, Vattastic etc, only show the general area, that's why i was confused! I personally use Qutescoop and as mentioned above it still contains the depiction for slightly outdated sectors of Munich. 1 Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Krause Posted November 15, 2020 at 02:43 PM Posted November 15, 2020 at 02:43 PM Hi Andreas, I just put a reminder into our internal forum and there was an immediate "oh, yes he is still waiting..." - so expect "2 weeks"... 😉 Cheers Micha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted November 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Posted November 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM On 11/15/2020 at 3:43 PM, Michael Krause said: I just put a reminder into our internal forum and there was an immediate "oh, yes he is still waiting..." - so expect "2 weeks" The sector data has been released in the meantime, great. 1 Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Enzmann Posted December 5, 2020 at 11:32 PM Author Posted December 5, 2020 at 11:32 PM Hey guys, need more help on this.....plz!!! I have come across a situation where VATspy shows EDYY_R_CTR overlaying europe airspace and showing f.e. EBBU above FL 245. however I am trying to contact EDYY_R and am told i am not in the airspace. I really tried to research, but cannot find the boundaries of EDYY_R. I am only confused because a} limited brain and b} it shows on Vatspy over all of europe. Even searching Eurocontrol did not show any info. I am using simbrief, skyvector, vpilot, vattastic and vatspy....and the unreliable autopilot build by asobo.... as always thankful for any hint towards a learning experience.....cheers Stefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wong Posted December 6, 2020 at 12:19 AM Posted December 6, 2020 at 12:19 AM EDYY_R_CTR - one of many Maastricht sectors - covers the Western part of Germany - namely Rheinland. That's what the letter 'R' stands for. If you are over Belgian airspace, we are not allowed to offer you ATC service there. Do you want your Virtual Airline to become an official partner on VATSIM or to participate in the VAA Program? Visit https://www.vatsim.net/pilots/virtual-airlines Tim Wong Director of Virtual Airline Relations VATSIM.net Virtual Airlines and Special Operations Administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Klosowski Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:43 AM Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:43 AM This might be useful for future references: Overview_EDYY_Maastricht_Sectors_FL245_UNL.pdf (vatsim-germany.org) 1 CHRISS KLOSOWSKIDivision Director, VATSIM Middle East & North Africa VATSIM Network Senior Supervisor, Team 5 [email protected] http://vatsim.me/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Enzmann Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:44 AM Author Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:44 AM thank you Tim, however my question is.... where do i find the information regarding the airspace/ sector boundaries when I am offline or better online, and you are online, if vatspy shows EDYY_R_CTR over Belgium. and i was taking off from EDDK for that flight, so if i would have climbed within Langen radar to FL 240, then i would have been handed to you? where would i find a map for this? thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Enzmann Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:46 AM Author Posted December 6, 2020 at 04:46 AM Chriss!! You da Man, thank you!!! that is exactly what i was looking for... couldnt find it.....thank you!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wong Posted December 7, 2020 at 12:10 AM Posted December 7, 2020 at 12:10 AM I can recommend you to use QUTESCOOP instead. It will show you the correct sectors. https://github.com/qutescoop/qutescoop Do you want your Virtual Airline to become an official partner on VATSIM or to participate in the VAA Program? Visit https://www.vatsim.net/pilots/virtual-airlines Tim Wong Director of Virtual Airline Relations VATSIM.net Virtual Airlines and Special Operations Administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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